#microformats 2012-02-14

2012-02-14 UTC
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Takyoji Yay, you folks still exist, thought everyone had disappeared or something, since the latest activity was last in 2009
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Loqi :D
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Takyoji or has Microdata (W3C specification) or RDFa kind of superseded the effort?
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tantek hey Takyoji - on the contrary - activity continues on a daily basis!
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Takyoji Oh yay
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Loqi :D
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tantek Takyoji see: http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
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tantek most of the work in microformats happens on the wiki
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Takyoji Anyone here been active in the hCard standard?
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tantek hCard is quite stable
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Takyoji because I have a use case that conflicts with the specification
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tantek it's got some minor tweaks coming in microformats 2.0 - http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2
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tantek and there's been a bunch of brainstorming to add features / use-cases as well: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming
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tantek including how to use hCard + WebID - the W3C's Web Identity effort
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tantek Takyoji - what's the use case you've found?
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Takyoji Because what I need is: I have a 'contact us' page for my little company, however the hCard specification requires a first name and last name, whereas the contact information would really be of a company and not a specific person
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tantek hCard doesn't require first/last name
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tantek just an fn (formatted name)
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Takyoji Also, it feels a bit unclear about adding instant messaging screennames
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Takyoji ahh, formatted name, alright
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tantek for companies, follow the instructions here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Organization_hCards
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Takyoji So as of instant messaging, it only specifies links, correct?
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tantek for instant messaging screen names see this: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#AOL_Instant_Messenger_.28AIM.29
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tantek hCard is likely to be updated to use the "impp" property
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Takyoji ahh alright, so the href property is only relevant, I thought the element content was also important
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tantek the nice thing about using those links for the instant messaging properties is that they are also clickable for use by the user
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Takyoji Yes
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Takyoji The only thing I find a bit awkward with it is that it's specified as just another link for a profile, rather than explicitly stating it's an instant messaging contact.
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Takyoji Especially if you're scanning links on a profile and you get something that's not HTTP/HTTPS for the URI scheme
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Takyoji as of IMPP, do you have acknowledgement of "Instant Messaging and Presence Protocol (IMPP) was a protocol for instant messaging proposed by the IETF via RFC 2778 and RFC 2779. There has been no progress since it has been obsoleted by XMPP." or is there recent information that conflicts with the statement?
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Takyoji Lastly (although I haven't looked completely through the specification), is there any component of hCard for public keys at all?
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Takyoji or even, a link to a public key
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Takyoji for PGP
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tantek yes - the KEY property
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tantek see also: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#key_property_for_webid
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tantek IMPP as a protocol and "impp" as a property for vCard/hCard are two different things.
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tantek hope that helps!
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Takyoji that part I noticed, I'm curious of WebID, as I don't think I've encountered it yet, I have heard of BrowserID, but I assume they are completely different
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tantek they are quite different yes
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Takyoji and I shall return within about an hour for any further thoughts.
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tantek I think it is good we are exploring different ideas for what might work for distributed identity.
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tantek I may be off to bed but hopefully back tomorrow!
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tantek good chatting with you and I hope you find those pages useful
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tantek also
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tantek re: microformats vs RDFa / microdata: see https://twitter.com/#!/emilylewis/status/161812916235026432
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@emilylewis *Preliminary* data from Web Data Commons project shows #microformats comprise 96% of the structured data on the web http://t.co/07ttGJys
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tantek so if anything, microformats have achieved even more penetration than alternatives since previous comparisons that showed about ~90% or so.
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tantek here's some more on microformats usage: http://microformats.org/2010/07/08/microformats-org-at-5-hcards-rich-snippets
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Takyoji Woo, yay for strong stats
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Takyoji but ultimately, all of them can be used together on a single page, last I recall
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Takyoji I just really hate the name for the element properties in the Microdata format
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Takyoji itemprop, itemscope (and especially this attribute having a null value), etc
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Takyoji Also, has there been initiatives within this circle of going out and providing some tweaks for existing FOSS to present data in a Microformat structure?
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/laststati0n] hfeed hentry Warning: Missing required field "updated". Warning: Missing required hCard "author". http://t.co/2gFN1bt5
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/learntricks] hfeed hentry Warning: Missing required field "updated". Warning: Missing required hCard "author". http://t.co/8PQL2gDw
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/Migueltatist] @MartinezPozo julio 1 de los que están detrás de lo del siglo 21 es Miguel caerá hatom. El lo anun en Facebook antes
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/MartijnSch] Are hreview snippets overruled by using the hcalendar items? Seen this before in Adwords such order, but also in SEO? /cc @yoast
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/Rzkrhmdn] Istap, nap tegojna hatom agis ngulateb akngan~"@yukeandptr: meren nahitupek RT @Rzkrhmdn Lalalalala leta~"@yukeandptr: kenap
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/MartijnSch] @yoast Great :(! On some pages we provided both but only the hcalendar is shown in the snippets.
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jakemac53 hey, I was wondering if anybody knows if it is valid to attach reviews to a person (not a product)?
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jakemac53 I noticed on this page http://schema.org/Product it lists reviews as a property, but on this page http://schema.org/Person it doesn't
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jakemac53 but the reviews I am trying to list are related to individual doctors within a single practice
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jakemac53 (so I can't really use the organization http://schema.org/Organization either since they aren't reviews for the organization as a whole
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jakemac53 I guess I could just mark up the person as a generic thing? But I would rather mark it up as a person specifically if possible.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/ptico] A что реальни верстальщики используют для hcalendar? dl, ul, div?
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/mblumenthal] @crespoce notice on this search reviews have attached to the Places page: http://t.co/XKpAz7io due to hcard
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/EmsTiger] #valentinesday #love http://t.co/nMRoyv2S
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