#microformats 2012-04-17

2012-04-17 UTC
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christopheducamp edited /hcard-fr (+5806) "[fr: sync'd with original page]" (view diff)
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christopheducamp edited /hcard-fr (+1) "[fr: restoring link Voir la [[hcard-fr#Liste_des_propriétés|liste complète des propriétés]] pour la liste complète. ]" (view diff)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/ChristianJait] Asa hatom marmeam dimedan yah? RT @Noluga: Bear cpt tamat'a RT @ChristianJait: Sudah seminggu tiap pagi ngerjain skripsi.."
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/Noluga] Mw balek Ƙє̲̣̥ Mdn emank'a? RT @ChristianJait: Asa hatom marmeam dimedan yah? RT @Noluga: Bear cpt tamat'a
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christopheducamp edited /hatom-fr () "(-1991) [fr: sync'd with original page]" (view diff)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/StepUpWeb] hCard Как использовать для сайта? Советы http://t.co/b3EUzgC2
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/jarede] @steviephil how effective is hcard and hcalendar formatting embedded in your HTML for seo
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Juraj_Sivak howdy, what's wrong with page microformats.org?
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neuro` Seems it's down again, I send tantek an alert
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tantek server is responding for me - just a bit busy
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tantek ok I restarted it to clear out requests - try now neuro` and Juraj_Sivak (welcome btw!)
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tantek edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:Arabicsearch]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites" (view diff)
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tantek deleted /User:Arabicsearch "content was spam"
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neuro` OK
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neuro` tantek: do you need a mirror somewhere? I can provide that
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tantek edited /existing-rel-values (-53) "rel is space separated, we already have "category" and "tag" separately. Undo revision 46009 by [[Special:Contributions/StefanStern|StefanStern]] ([[User talk:StefanStern|Talk]])" (view diff)
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tantek neuro` - sure a mirror would be great
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neuro` tantek: what are you using? a Wordpress and some wiki?
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tantek yes
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tantek and mailman for the mailing lists
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tantek MediaWiki
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neuro` I see.
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neuro` I'll have a look at the best way to mirror them
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neuro` I come back to you within 1-2 days. I'm a bit busy this week.
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neuro` s/to/at/
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Loqi neuro` meant to say: I come back at you within 1-2 days. I'm a bit busy this week.
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neuro` Loqi: thank you.
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Loqi :)
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tantek sounds good neuro` - let me know if you have any more questions.
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neuro` tantek: I have. Can you setup some DNS round robin based either on Geo IP or on Microformats.org availability or on current load?
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tantek neuro` - possibly - maybe we can start with a hostname like mirror.microformats.org so we can try it out?
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neuro` I was about to suggest that one
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neuro` or eu.microformats.org and a redirect when people com from Europe
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neuro` I think a read only mirror will be the best option.
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tantek I'm not sure round robin will work for now because editing the wiki should always edit one db.
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tantek let's start with that
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neuro` Yep
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tantek that will solve most cases IMHO
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neuro` Probably.
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neuro` Got it. A daily static mirror using wget will do it.
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neuro` And will prevent me from installing PHP on my servers
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tantek neuro` - and you could use the recent changes page to see what to update
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neuro` And some sed here and there
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neuro` tantek: great idea
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neuro` Hmm, my daily work will have to wait, starting to script that
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tantek I wonder if you could hold off on updates from first time wiki users as a way of avoiding mirroring spam
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tantek (might have too many false positives though)
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neuro` I'll see
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neuro` This server is a 8 core, 64GB ram on a 1gb line, should handle the trafic
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neuro` If you see lots of trafic from 88.190.13.197, it's me
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tantek created /job-listing-formats (+421) "draft" (view diff)
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tantek edited /job-listing-examples (+312) "add process prefix and see also" (view diff)
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tantek edited /admin-to-do (+88) "/* inbox */ 88.190.13.197 mirror server" (view diff)
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tantek neuro - thanks for the IP address heads-up
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tantek also - consider filling out your User: page: http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Neuro
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neuro` tantek: I though I had already filled it in
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tantek you added yourself to the IRC page but with a red-link to your User page ;)
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neuro` Will do it very soon
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neuro` Mirror will be on 88.190.224.126 btw.
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neuro` I did the wget from another machine
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tantek edited /admin-to-do (+22) "note mirror requests vs. server 88.190.224.126" (view diff)
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tantek thanks neuro
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neuro created /User:Neuro (+429) "Creation." (view diff)
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neuro` tantek: you're welcome.
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tantek btw - say hi to Christophe if you see him, I don't usually see him in IRC, and great to see the updates to the French pages on microformats!
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neuro` I will indeed.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/kevinmullaney] @kevinmullaney @garybuchan @JonBuchan Combine that with an hreview generator http://t.co/d5vULzb8 & hcard creator http://t.co/uLoHoMKg BOOM!
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sandbags hey, sorry to bother you guys but do any of you know anywhere that people actively discuss the RSS & Atom syndication formats?
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singpolyma sandbags: Atom will be discussed on appropriate IETF mailing lists, IIRC
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singpolyma RSS... the RDF ones are probably W3C and thus not open to the public
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singpolyma RSS2 is "frozen", so there's no real discussion group AFAIK
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sandbags i'm really more looking for somewhere that developers using these formats might hang out
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singpolyma oh
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singpolyma StackOverflow
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sandbags hrnnn
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sandbags i hear you
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sandbags but not really what i have in mind
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singpolyma no
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singpolyma ?
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sandbags perhaps the answer to my question is no
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singpolyma possibly. I'm not sure what you want
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sandbags well a concrete example: I'm looking to implement replies and considering whether to use <atom:link rel="related"> as the mechanism but consider it to be a stretch, yet do i want to define a custom namespace for this? Or perhaps there's already a recognised namespace someone is using. Discuss.
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sandbags i can very well post this as a question on SO and hope someone relevant may wander across it
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sandbags but, for example, i'd expect better luck with a mailing list that developers of RSS/Atom based apps hung out on
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sandbags IRC channel, forum, etc...
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singpolyma there is an atom namespace for replies
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sandbags ah, so the answer to my question was: here :)
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sandbags is there a good reference to defined extensions?
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singpolyma http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4685.txt
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sandbags perfect
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singpolyma There isn't really a registry of "atom-related" namespaces, AFAIK
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singpolyma any interested XML namespace can be mixed in to either ATOM or RSS, ofc :)
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sandbags yeah, i wasn't really coming up with anything terribly useful searching
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sandbags right
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sandbags that's why the lock-down of the RSS2.0 format isn't really a major concern
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singpolyma right
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sandbags i'm already using <atom:category> in our RSS2 feeds
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sandbags although the feed validator gets the hump about it
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singpolyma yeah, I use all sorts of namespaces in both sorts of feeds
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sandbags what do you develop btw?
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singpolyma sandbags: what do you mean?
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sandbags was wondering if you're developing a product and, if so, what it was you developed
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sandbags but i found your website so i think i answered my own q
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singpolyma ah, ok :)
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singpolyma I suppose in this community I'm a "DiSo" guy. Or was. We don't really talk about DiSo anymore since the main guys went to Google
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sandbags diso i'm not familiar with
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singpolyma It's mostly a bunch of distributed-social-networking-esque WordPress plugins
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singpolyma and some non-wordpress stuff
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sandbags interesting
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sandbags just looking at some of it now
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singpolyma the profile and actionstream on my homepage are powered by three of the plugins
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singpolyma which I maintain
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sandbags i used to be part of an "own your silo" company back around '05/'06 ... but we were much too early
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sandbags mainly trying to target CRM vendors
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singpolyma right
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sandbags it all made perfect sense (particularly in the UK) but nobody was willing to spend the money
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sandbags and the board were not willing to endorse my black-ops strategy for drumming up business
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singpolyma A board? There's your problem ;)
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sandbags well i guess i can't entirely argue with their being ethical
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singpolyma hehe
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sandbags probably if they had said "yes" we might have had bigger problems :)
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singpolyma I think it's kind of funny that two of the guys who used to be big in DiSo are now in Google+, which is like the opposite of distributed or indie
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sandbags ya
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sandbags reading the recent arguments Google are putting forth about how profiles are socially relevant etc... they all make perfect sense
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sandbags except for the part where Google own the profile
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singpolyma well, I have no problem with Google owning the profiles of people who want to have Google own their profiles
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sandbags sure
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sandbags but that's not how these things play right now :)
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singpolyma but it should not be required to participate
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sandbags there will be a flip at some point
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singpolyma Really, microblogging is still my main social media thing, which is why my actionstream is such a big part of my "own your data" strategy
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sandbags when things get hot and permission based marketing actually looks like making more money for them
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sandbags yeah my current company is all about own your content
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sandbags decide your rules of engagement
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sandbags not a million miles from DiSO :)
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tantek sandbags, you might want to take a look at both hAtom and the efforts to figure out a comments microformat as well (as an extended re-use of hAtom)
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom
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tantek what's the site you're building?
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sandbags tantek: thanks will take a look but, no site
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neuro` tantek: mirroring still on its way, it seems the site is a little bigger than expected.
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neuro` Or maybe the latency doesn't help
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tantek neuro' the site is pretty big - especially when you include the email archives
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tantek in addition, I wonder if we should figure out a way to locally host IRC logs
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tantek since we're now using off-site logs
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tantek of course I'm sure that would start with a discussion of what format to use for the logs ;)
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tantek (I think there was some effort at chat-logs)
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singpolyma I think IRC logs are pretty unambiguous in plain text. Though you could use <time> and hcard if you like
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mkowens tantek: I feel like you would be interested in this article from Dropbox on password strength after your recent experience http://tech.dropbox.com/?p=165
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jurajsivak maybe it can contains topic, if it is sets
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neuro` tantek: it's now mirroring the whole mailing list archive. I think it will be up tomorrow. I've setup a mirror.microformats.org, I'll let you know when everything is done.
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neuro` tantek: I'll see how I can correlate irc logs with hcard and our IRC people page
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