#microformats 2012-08-12

2012-08-12 UTC
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tantek aaronpk, re: in-reply-to, it's listed in existing-rel-values as a non-HTML value currently: http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#non_HTML_rel_values
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aaronpk yea that was the only reference I could find
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tantek and sort of used by Youtube in gdata format (what came after Google Base, but preceded data-vocabulary.org and then schema.org) : https://developers.google.com/youtube/2.0/developers_guide_protocol_comments
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aaronpk arey ou using it on your tantek.com site?
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tantek although they decided to put an ugly namespace on it - in typical XML style of doing things
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tantek oh and they put it in an invisible <link> element, but that doesn't matter because the whole of gdata is an invisible XML file anyway
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tantek <link rel="http://gdata.youtube.com/schemas/2007#in-reply-to"
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tantek type="application/atom+xml"
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tantek href="https://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videos/2cd.../comments/978..."/>
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tantek I've considered rel="in-reply-to" in HTML
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tantek I haven't used it myself yet
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tantek that code is TBI
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aaronpk TBI?
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tantek to be implemented
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tantek the problem with "in-reply-to" as a rel value is that it fails the noun in relationship to the source test.
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tantek the rel value should name the destination, in a way that is relative to the source
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tantek here is previous related work btw:
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-rel
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tantek years old, perhaps worth revisiting
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aaronpk ah great.
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aaronpk i'm getting close to launching my new site which I'll be able to much easier mark up with microformats and the like
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aaronpk I already imported my archived tweets as "note" pages too
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tantek awesome!
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tantek btw if you want to look through previous research on the subject, check out the overall page: http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation
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tantek something like "previous-in-thread" might be more sensible
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tantek more like how rel works
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aaronpk interesting
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tantek I highly recommend reviewing http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-faq to gain a deeper understanding
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aaronpk ah, so "in-reply-to" is better as a rev?
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tantek except that rev is deprecated for being too confusing to use
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aaronpk right
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tantek so no new revs
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tantek and in fact, we "archived" VoteLinks due to lack of use or falling off of use
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tantek and if you're going to link to / show follow-ups to your tweets/notes, you could link to them with rel="comment" (since follow-ups *are* comments, relative to your note)
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tantek thus rev="comment" would make sense too (again, if we were still doing rev values)
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tantek and that begs the question of whether @-replies in response to particular tweets should be ActivityStream object-type of "comment" rather than "note" (I think they should be).
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tantek also begs the question of whether to show all those on your "main stream" by default or not
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aaronpk that's true, which also means my own @-replies on my site should be marked up as comments, not notes
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tantek seeing all of someone's @-replies out of context is not particularly useful
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tantek exactly
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tantek these are among the many reasons/questions that are why I haven't implemented "reply" notes/tweets yet in Falcon
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tantek I kept finding more design questions to answer ;)
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk here's what mine looks like so far, this is the future aaronparecki.com/notes page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/7766512796/in/photostream
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aaronpk the interesting thing is not all the notes that begin with an "@" sign are comments, two of those are not replies
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tantek right
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tantek Twitter API has a field for whether notes are in reply-to something in particular (or empty / not there if not)
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tantek do that as a first pass (for comments)
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tantek and then you might need to manually check reply-less notes that start with "@" by hand to see if they were in reply to something or not, and then manually fix them up (though good luck finding the original URL that they're in-reply-to)
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tantek btw, nice clean and simple - always a good start (re: your /notes page)
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aaronpk heh, right. well I can write a quick script to use the in_reply_to_status_id field to move those to a /comments feed
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tantek btw the 2012 / July at the top makes it look like an archives page instead of a top level stream page
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aaronpk thx, your page was definitely an inspiration for the design
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aaronpk hm good point, tho it kind of is the archives page. I guess I could remove the header if you're on the first page of the archives
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tantek mostly I copied from Twitter's old designs, and simplified further
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tantek nothing like being more minimal that Twitter
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tantek although that's easier to do these days, since they've bolloxed it up with all kinds of cheesiness.
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tantek also another thing the whole @-reply / comment thing led me down is this whole discussion / thinking around citations and citation user interfaces
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tantek https://www.google.com/search?as_sitesearch=tantek.com&tbs=sbd%3A1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1970&q=citation
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aaronpk well i'm just happy i'm going to actually have a place to work on this stuff now
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tantek yay!
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Loqi giggles
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barnabywalters aaronpk: do you have an ETA for your shiny new site, or just 'soon'?
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aaronpk i'm trying to launch it today
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aaronpk I spent most of yesterday on some final touches
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barnabywalters ooh, nice
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aaronpk I just need to make the home page now, I've got the feed pages working, complete with paging to find old stuff, and all my redirects are in place from my old site
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barnabywalters I've spent this afternoon adding some refinements (mainly speediness-related ones) to my new system
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aaronpk nice
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barnabywalters did you figure out getting the feeds readable by identica/statusnet?
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aaronpk no
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barnabywalters me neither
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aaronpk actually I don't have an XML feed in this version yet. I figure that's ok since my current site also doesn't have an XML feed so i'm not losing anything
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barnabywalters so it's hATOM?
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aaronpk I haven't worked on the markup much yet, but I'll be adding that stuff shortly
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aaronpk i'm just trying to get something up that is not less than my current site, and I'll build from there
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barnabywalters what is your plan for aaron.pk? Are you keeping the grid thing or redirecting it?
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aaronpk not sure yet
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aaronpk this is replacing aaronparecki.com tho
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tantek barnabywalters - h-entry these days :)
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tantek http://ufs.cc/w/uf2
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barnabywalters tantek: yep, I've added mf2 all over my site
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aaronpk is microformats2 understood by google yet?
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barnabywalters or anything else, for that matter?
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tantek aaronpk - not yet, but neither is hAtom AFAIK (despite being on millions of WordPress blogs and more)
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barnabywalters well, it's not like it's tricky to support both, although @class can get a bit full
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tantek I'm switching over as much as I can to the simpler, more minimal microformats2 markup
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tantek and only using both where there are existing consumers
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tantek that's what I'm advising people do
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aaronpk makes sense
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barnabywalters tantek++
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