#microformats 2012-09-27

2012-09-27 UTC
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@webmarketing_dk Referencement Google: ADWORDS UTILISE OFFICIELLEMENT LES MICROFORMATS HREVIEW - Seller Rating... http://www.googleadwords.fr/campagne-google-adwords/adwords-utilise-officiellement-les-microformats-hreview/ #referencement
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tantek edited /what-are-microformats (+381) "move another version from the home page to here, update entry-title etc." (view diff)
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tantek edited /Main_Page (-305) "incrementally simplify home page a bit" (view diff)
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@RetiredE The hCard Says Thank You to All Who Serve http://networkedblogs.com/CG306
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@mayrabor The hCard Says Thank You to All Who Serve http://networkedblogs.com/CG306
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tantek !spammer RetiredE
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Loqi Got it! There are now 75 spammers blacklisted
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tantek !spammer mayrabor
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Loqi Got it! There are now 76 spammers blacklisted
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ChiefRA tantek you're welcome :)
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ChiefRA tantek SEnuke XCr is an automation "SEO" software which creates links automatically to a designated website to help it rank better in Search Engines.
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ChiefRA The latest version has the ability to submit text links, article links to a LOT of websites.
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ChiefRA it perfectly reads captcha and it does that automatically...
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tantek yikes
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ChiefRA we need some new types of captcha... like math problems or other things which can't be solved automatically
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ChiefRA dumb questions or something which a machina can't differentiate.
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ChiefRA machine*
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ercan13 edited /examples-in-the-wild (+414) "/* Examples in the Wild */" (view diff)
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cweiske Hi. I've lost my microformats wiki password. How can I get a new one? The default password reset wiki page does not seem to exist, and the login page doesn't link to one either
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chiefra edited /examples-in-the-wild (-414) "Undo revision 47569 by [[Special:Contributions/Ercan13|Ercan13]] ([[User talk:Ercan13|Talk]]) removed spammy links" (view diff)
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ChiefRA cweiske let me take a look
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ChiefRA cweiske you're right. It doesn't have a reset password form. tantek the Wiki doesn't have a Password Reset form, can you help?
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@MickCropper HCard Rich Snippet on Superbreak - #SEO http://www.michaelcropper.co.uk/2011/02/hcard-rich-snippet-on-superbreak-104.html
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cweiske It seems that getting a new password is really hard here. All I wanted to do is add http://joeyh.name/rfc/rel-vcs/ to http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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cweiske could someone do that for me, since I can't reset my password?
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tantek cweiske - the vcs-* pattern seems overdesigned
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tantek I can see the utility in linking to the repository for a file, however, the destination of that link should express the type of repository it is
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tantek no need to encode that in the rel itself
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tantek it isn't "rel-like" information at all
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tantek it's more like the "type" attribute of the link, which gives a *hint* as to what the destination has
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tantek also, I think "vcs" is too limiting in scope - what about linking to a wiki page instead of a vcs?
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tantek a wiki page is a type of vcs, since it has history etc.
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cweiske tantek, I use it for phorkie, a gist.github.com clone
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cweiske to allow federated paste forking
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cweiske btw, many VCS have http transports
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cweiske svn has http
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cweiske git has http
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cweiske darcs has http
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cweiske so the link URL alone does not define the VCS type
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cweiske also, it allows one to get a copy of the source code by just providing the homepage of a project
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cweiske tantek, so you're more for rel="vcs" and type="git"?
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tantek re: they have http transports - that's what http headers are for and mime types etc.
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tantek gif, jpg, png all have http transports too
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tantek we don't need to have rel="image-gif", "image-jpg" etc.
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tantek presumably when you retrieve that git repo via http it sends back some type of stream other than "image/png" or "text/html"
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tantek so you shouldn't need rel="git" either
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cweiske Content-Type: text/html
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cweiske charset=iso-8859-1
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cweiske wait, that's a 404
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cweiske no, git uses the URL it got as base and appends some path objects to it
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cweiske so you don't know from just downloading that URL that it's a git repository shared via http
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cweiske so, knowing only that URL you had to try URL variants for git, to find out if it is a git repository or not
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cweiske <link type="" only allows mime types, right?
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tantek right
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tantek per RESTful design, that URL that git gets should have *something* there
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tantek and not need magical appending of path objects to find things
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cweiske example: Git URL: http://git.gitorious.org/services_libravatar/services_libravatar.git
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cweiske what git fetches is: /services_libravatar/services_libravatar.git/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack
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cweiske the URL itself gives a 404
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cweiske I agree that this is not very restful
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cweiske but it's the way it is, and we won't change existing VCS implementations
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cweiske also, both SVN and Git have SSH transports
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cweiske so one needs at least a hint what it is
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cweiske type
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cweiske tantek, given that we can use the type attribute to determine which type of VCS it is, would a rel="vcs" be ok?
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cweiske or do you think of a broader term?
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cweiske "source-code"?
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tantek the question of breadth is whether something like "here's the wiki page that *this* page came from" is similar enough or not to a VCS
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tantek because wikis are also versioning systems
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tantek or to the etherpad that a document came from
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tantek personally I think these kinds of relationships are useful to add discovery methods for (e.g. via rel), I'm just trying to better understand the space you're looking to standardize
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tantek what mime type does /services_libravatar/services_libravatar.git/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack return, and why can't we link to that directly rather than the 404 of /services_libravatar/services_libravatar.git
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tantek ?
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cweiske "dear operating system, here is the homepage of a project I'd like to try out: http://example.org/". Then $tool automatically discovers the source code repository, downloads, builds and installs it
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tantek deliberately linking to something which is a 404 and expecting functionality seems like a really bad idea
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tantek sure, so how about we link to a link that returns something rather than returns nothing?
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cweiske Media Type: application/x-git-upload-pack-advertisement
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tantek great - now we're getting somewhere
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tantek that proves we don't need to put "git" in the rel in any form
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cweiske for http transport at least
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tantek this whole thread has been about http: links so I'm not sure what you mean by that
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cweiske git has its own native protocol, git://
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cweiske that's often used for readonly access
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cweiske read+write access in git is mostly made via ssh
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cweiske ssh://example.org/repo.git
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cweiske git:// is of course clearly identifyable
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cweiske ssh:// may also be used by svn repositories
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cweiske so for ssh:// URLs, we do not know what's behind
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tantek cweiske - sounds like we need to start collecting real world publishing examples of existing pages that link to git, svn, etc. repos
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tantek that list of possible ways people link to repos is getting long
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cweiske indeed
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tantek since you called it vcs to start with, let's use that as a working name/prefix for documentation at least
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tantek e.g.
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tantek vcs-linking-examples
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tantek we can debate better naming for whatever rels make sense later
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cweiske ok. how do I get my wiki password reset so that I can write them down?
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tantek oh drat - that's the real problem
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tantek what's your username? Cweiske I presume?
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cweiske yes, cweiske
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tantek looks up how to do this
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cweiske I don't know why the special:passwordreset page is deactivated on this wiki
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cweiske e.g. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset
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tantek hmm that is odd
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tantek cweiske - it appears I'm having some permissions errors trying to run the php script to change your pw - could you create a new account for now so that you're not blocked on this and I'll work on resetting the pw to your Cweiske account so you can get that back. I've contacted some folks that hopefully understand the server setup better than I do.
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tantek cweiske - sorry about the inconvenience, it's apparently due to some differences/details in our server setup since our move to new servers earlier this year.
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tantek I'm trying to resolve it as soon as I can.
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