#microformats 2012-11-16

2012-11-16 UTC
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iSRAELi http://schema.org/Person
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iSRAELi whats this
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iSRAELi can anyone help with w3c
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iSRAELi who gives me errors for dublin core :(
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Loqi aww, cheer up
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iSRAELi it says keyword not registerd :S
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iSRAELi Error Line 15, Column 47: Bad value DC.creator for attribute name on element meta: Keyword dc.creator is not registered.
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iSRAELi <meta name="DC.creator" content="Amir Shahar">
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iSRAELi Syntax of metadata name:
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iSRAELi A metadata name listed in the HTML specification or listed in the WHATWG wiki. You can register metadata names on the WHATWG wiki yourself.
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iSRAELi its actually exact copy paste from dublin core website
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tantek iSRAELi - not sure how useful dublin core is - what are you trying to do?
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MikeD_ firefox plugin Operator has a Add to Google Calendar action... but i don't get a calendar entry created... is it because the dtend value is only 1 hour later than the start?
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MikeD_ nope, it was because the microformat expects the title attribute to contain the data
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tantek MikeD_ that depends on the element
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tantek or if you're using the value-title feature
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tantek what's the page with the problem?
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MikeD_ oh, there's an option? i really don't like the UI impact of cramming a datetime into title
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MikeD_ it's not published yet
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MikeD_ i could copy it out though
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tantek yes - there are a bunch of options
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tantek depending on what kind of markup you're already using
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tantek the value-title pattern is described here:
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MikeD_ http://jsfiddle.net/sCJ5q/
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Parsing_value_from_a_title_attribute
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tantek ah - you're already using the <time> element - good
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tantek I think then that might be an outstanding enhancement request with Operator
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tantek to get it to recognize the <time> element
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MikeD_ that's what I used to test the integration to google :)
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MikeD_ i didn't get much feedback on the semantic #html channel, care to comment on the way I used two time tags to show the start/end behavior of the event?
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tantek hmm - for some reason I left the #html channel years ago - is there much (interesting?) discussion there any more?
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MikeD_ since html5 there have been a few interesting academic conversations
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tantek hmm
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MikeD_ mostly "what's the difference between section and div" for example
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tantek oh - yeah, that problem ;)
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MikeD_ what's an "article" :)
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tantek lol
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tantek using two time elements is good
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tantek I would include the 1:00 PM inside the *first* time element, since it's part of that data
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tantek and then *not* include the " - " between the times
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tantek in the second time element
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MikeD_ what style hook do i use to force the 1:00 onto the 'line' following the date?
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tantek I think that would require another element
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tantek I'm guessing your goal is to put the date in its own block, so I'd wrap a span just around the date and style it to display block
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MikeD_ yup, that's where i was going (thanks for the validation)
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tantek alternatively you could put a <br/> after the date
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MikeD_ when you said not include the "-" between the times, you mean not inside the time tag? or not at all
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MikeD_ use something clever like time + time:before { content: "-"
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MikeD_ }
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tantek not inside the time tag
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tantek heh - I wouldn't use CSS for it because it is still plain text content you want readers to see regardless of styling
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MikeD_ yeah, so just between the begin and end time tags
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tantek edited /value-class-pattern-tests (+67) "/* inline examples from Microformation */ to do value-title test pages" (view diff)
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MikeD_ if this snippet of markup is reused elsewhere (copy/paste) but the end-time isn't meant to be displayed the dash looks weird and should also be not displayed - so do you wrap it in an element that is styleable? or do i have to keep track of removing the content... in which case I might have no end time on the hCalendar ?
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MikeD_ or vevent... or whatever part of the spec I'm trying to talk about
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tantek edited /value-class-pattern (+96) "/* limited use of value-title */ note todo" (view diff)
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tantek right
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tantek hmm - that's an interesting argument for including the dash inside the dtend element
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tantek yes you're talking about hCalendar :)
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tantek btw note that there's now a microformats2 version of hCalendar also for generic parsers - feel fee to use both for better forward compat: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-event
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tantek and yes - the naming question/dilemma you point out has been fixed in microformats2
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tantek all microformats2 vocabularies are named the same thing as their root elements
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tantek e.g. h-event
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MikeD_ so p-name supercedes "summary" ? is that suggested because summary doesn't meaningfully convey the "name" content? I was confused by that, I assumed summary was what description actually is
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MikeD_ so if I made the vevent class also include h-event and summary include p-name, that would cover both parser implementations? (conceivably)
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tantek and the dt properties became dt- properties
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tantek e.g. dt-end and dt-start
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tantek also p-description
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tantek p-name is a unification of various name-like properties including "fn" from hCard and "summary" from hCalendar
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tantek also, no matter how many times we explained it, "fn" confused people, especially new people. it's just a name right? right.
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MikeD_ cool
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MikeD_ fwiw: also cool is that I would see your name on the wiki page, then come into this channel and you're actually here to talk to about it.
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MikeD_ is the dt-start parseable by css as a classname?
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Cat4D is there a directed graph lib with info boxes and css3/dhtml fallback ?
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tantek MikeD_ yes - you can have hyphens in classnames and have it work with CSS as well
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tantek and great to have you here as well!
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MikeD_ that was 15 minutes of struggle to find a space between time and .dt-start in the stylesheet
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MikeD_ operator converts dt-start to zulu before feeding it to google.. that's interesting
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MikeD_ is that due to a google requirement or a feature of Operator ?
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MikeD_ here's where I am at this point: http://jsfiddle.net/sCJ5q/
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MikeD_ apparently that didn't update, try this: http://jsfiddle.net/m8fAz/
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MikeD_ it's a bit unfortunate that there's an extra empty span just to keep the tooltip from popping up the datetime that's part of the time tag, but whatever
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MikeD_ i think it's important that the content be machine readable
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tantek the extra empty span is a transitional thing - as more software supports HTML5, we'll have to depend on fewer empty spans
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tantek looks good. you can also add "u-url" into the class="url" for the h-event as well
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MikeD_ oh yeah.. when i showed this to the other person i'm working with... (after many reminders about semantic class names) says, "class='url' ?!?"
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MikeD_ should the h-event be first in the class attribute?
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MikeD_ or does that fall under the category of rediculous microoptimization
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tantek MikeD_ re: should the h-event be first in the class attribute - I think it should because it makes it easier to recognize that it (and perhaps the subsequent vevent class name) are part of a microformat. Similarly with class="dt-start dtstart", and class="p-name summary"
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tantek mentioned a bit in the "Tips:" section here: http://microformats.org/wiki/2#backward_compatible
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tantek but perhaps worthy of an FAQ
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tantek edited /microformats2-faq (+1211) "when using both h-card and vcard which should be first and why" (view diff)
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tantek MikeD_ wrote it up: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-faq#when_using_both_h-card_and_vcard_which_should_be_first_and_why - let me know if that makes sense and if I can improve it any further to help with such questions in the future.
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tantek edited /microformats2 (+163) "/* backward compatible */ related FAQ" (view diff)
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