#microformats 2012-11-20

2012-11-20 UTC
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tommorris
okay, what I'll do is split off the core of how to do microformats-2 to RDF and then put twiddly bits at the end in a separate section.
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tommorris
then perhaps write a implementation. ;-)
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tommorris
ah, it's just name now? awesome
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tantek
yeah :/
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tantek
we've resisted renaming things in microformats in general
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tommorris
tantek: can I trouble you for some user rights on microformats.org? going from Wikipedia admin to having to fill in a CAPTCHA every time I add a link is quite a downgrade. ;)
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tantek
however, oddly (ironically?) "fn" has been fairly consistently and independently renamed by everyone else forking vCard etc. to just "name"
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tommorris
edited /microformats2-parsing-rdf (-231) "/* Representative hCard parsing */ details"
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tommorris
hmm. strange, the captcha still is there for autoconfirmed
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tantek
oops edit collision
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tantek
and here I was trying to be helpful ;)
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tommorris
I fixed the edit conflict
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tommorris
edited /microformats2-parsing-rdf (+12) "lang is text"
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tantek
except the first paragraph
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tantek
errantly dropped I think
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tommorris
nah, I removed that intentionally
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tommorris
no, wait, I didn't
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tommorris
silly me
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tommorris
edited /microformats2-parsing-rdf (+167) "put back in para that I accidentally removed by tantek"
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tommorris
edited /User:TomMorris (-26) "/* My Links */ updating what I'm using"
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tommorris
edited /User:TomMorris () "(-747) fixing up"
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tantek
edited /representative-hcard-parsing (-53) "simplify a little, link to microformats2 parsing since that's the direction we're going"
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tantek
tommorris - re wiki privs, yeah that seems reasonable to me. I'll recommend promoting you to a wiki admin to the other microformats admins (cc: Phae, benward who appear to be in the channel).
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tommorris
it's almost been a year since adminship on english wikipedia and so far I haven't broken anything.
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tantek
we don't really have levels of wiki adminship - so once you're there, hopefully you can help us with blocking/deleting spam also ;)
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tantek
(and we've got a queue of spam blocking wiki admin tasks to get to hopefully minimize the whack-a-spam task in the future: http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do#wiki )
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tommorris
right, sleeptime. I'll fix up the wiki page some more in the morning
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tantek
sounds good - thanks for braindumping and writing it up!
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tantek
hopefully the rep hCard algorithm is a bit more understandable now
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tantek
from a microformats2 perspective etc.
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gerardojtjrkqsdtghollier
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@NSPmatamoros
Giving Thanks and Giving Back with The hCard http://networkedblogs.com/EWQrj
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@Kenneth_Little
Giving Thanks and Giving Back with The hCard http://networkedblogs.com/EWQrj
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tantek
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tantek
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tantek
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tantek
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tantek
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Phae
tantek, tommorris: consider me +1
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tantek
thanks Phae
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tommorris
edited /User:TomMorris (+9) "added rel=tag"
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tommorris
edited /User:TomMorris (-414) "cleanup: xoxofrontier is a bit redundant now. added [[microformats2-parsing-rdf]] to todo"
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tommorris
edited /admin-to-do (+427) "/* wiki */ adding interwiki task"
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tommorris
edited /microformats2-parsing-rdf (+2808) "cleanup, expand, added multi-lingual example"
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tommorris
edited /microformats2-parsing-rdf (+10) "should be bold not italics"
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ChiefRA
hi there.
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ChiefRA
guys, I need your help :) I wish to build a small Lyrics website for testing purposes, and I have 2 problems: 1) I don't know which paltform will fit better and 2) what kind of microformats should I apply. All comments are more than welcome, thanks.
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ChiefRA
requirements would include a small database for login purposes, as to post/modify lyrics on the website you must be logged in.
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tommorris
ChiefRA: so, on the microformats front, hAtom probably. maybe h-cite.
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tommorris
ChiefRA: and possibly things like rel=tag.
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tommorris
ChiefRA: as for platforms? I shall channel photographers who say "the best camera is the one you have with you" and say "the best content management system/web framework is the one you understand".
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ChiefRA
tommorris thanks for the feedback. I think I'll go for Wiki platform
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chiefra
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tommorris
edited /gender-formats (+63) "/* FOAF */ expanding"
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MikeD_
hey, should I take the extra step of using the itemscope/et al. from http://schema.org/Event in addition to h-Event ?
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MikeD_
tbh, this schema looks klunky and unfinished
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MikeD_
also, it seems whomever is writing the examples has no idea about semantic elements
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MikeD_
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2011/06/introducing-schemaorg-search-engines.html "while it’s OK to use the new schema.org markup or continue to use existing microformats or RDFa markup, you should avoid mixing the formats together on the same web page, as this can confuse our parsers."
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MikeD_
"confuse our parsers" is lazy developer-speak for "it would be hard for us"
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tommorris
MikeD_: I concur. if I can implement a microformats parser, Google should be able to.
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MikeD_
did you look at schema.org/Event (for comparison to h-event)
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tommorris
MikeD_: and, as far as I can tell, with microformats2, it mixes rather well with RDFa. I sat there thinking it was going to be a clusterfuck, but it isn't
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tommorris
well, it's only a problem if you are using microdata
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MikeD_
i would make the effort to over-describe the content using both formats if they didn't admit they're too lazy to cope with it
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tommorris
if you were to use the RDFa version of that schema.org class, there's no reason why you can't intermix it with microformats
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MikeD_
i will read about RDFa.. i was thinking microformats is easy/obvious... i should have stopped there :)
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tommorris
and I'm pretty sure that Google probably aren't parsing microformats2
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tommorris
so, RDFa and microformats2 mix perfectly. I'm writing a microformats2-to-RDF conversion spec at the moment and there's no discernible conflicts.
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tommorris
as for RDFa and original microformats… can't see any particular reason you can't mix them. there is no generic way of parsing the older microformats.
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tommorris
edited /gender-examples (+510) "/* sites and services */ adding more sites including dating sites"
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tommorris
edited /gender-examples (+1) "fixing link"
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MikeD_
Loqi are you a bot?
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tommorris
MikeD_: yes.
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tommorris
MikeD_: it gets tweets in that mention microformats and also posts changes to the wiki
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tommorris
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MikeD_
oh
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tantek
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tantek
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tantek
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tantek
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@tizionario
[PHPvCard] https://t.co/UJsAZIHJ Tiziano Basile - hCard method bug fix
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@tizionario
[PHPvCard] https://t.co/lvYVBpw9 Tiziano Basile - "generate_hCard" method written
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tantek
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tantek
edited /gender-formats (+913) "note vCard4 has a gender property with fields sex and gender-identity, pull it to the top since as the most recent/modern gender related format, influenced by this page and proposed by this community"
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tantek
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