#microformats 2012-11-28

2012-11-28 UTC
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@Dbosss_ fla$hcards 4 days :-)
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tommorris tantek: do you know what the current status of the logo is?
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tommorris tantek: as in, public domain, cc0, CC-BY etc.?
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tommorris also, microformateers who are also active wikipedians may be interested in participating in this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Microformats#Proposal:_citation_microformat
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@nlpub Теперь участники NLPub могут легко добавить информацию о себе в виде корректного микроформата hCard! http://nlpub.ru/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:HCard
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@FreeWSOdownload Free download: WSO - WP Author hReview (Plugin) http://www.freewso.info/wp-author-hreview-plugin/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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@bbellx A vCard/hCard #microformats validator! http://hcard.geekhood.net/
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tantek welcome gavinc!
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gavinc So this is the better syntax? ;)
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tantek gavinc - take a look at examples to start with: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#simple_microformats_2_examples
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tantek gavinc, simpler syntax at least
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tantek which tends to be better
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gavinc fully agree
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gavinc Main work product of mine for the RDF WG is replacing RDF/XML with Turtle and N-Triples ;)
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tantek microformats syntax is essentially driven by what seems to be easiest/simplest for web developers, and in microformats2, we've been able to make simplifications/improvements that also simplified parsers as well.
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tantek hence we have a few parsers now
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tantek in fairly short order
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tantek and the parsing spec is quite short
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gavinc so paying job in mind, the process for creating a new microformat for microformats2 for oh say... horrifying patent litigation, would begind with?
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tantek well you have more options now
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tantek as always there's the research/document publishing examples, previous formats etc. microformats process
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tantek now there's also a convention for vendor specific and experimental stuff
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#VENDOR_EXTENSIONS
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gavinc I had looked at using h-card for all the entity data
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tantek for example for microformats2 test suite format(s), we're using h-x- root classnames just to get some experimental stuff bootstrapped, not knowing if it will be worth standardizing
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tantek great! (re: looked at using h-card for all the entity data )
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tantek are the "entities" people or organizations?
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tantek is not sure about h-card for arbitrary "things"
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gavinc Entities are mostly lawyers
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gavinc some people think of them as people ;)
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gavinc I'm... not so sure any more
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singpolyma IMHO, the email headers and CSS worlds have shown than vendor extensions are a bad idea
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singpolyma because by the time you want to standardise, many tools are using this vendor extension already
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singpolyma which makes transitions harder
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tantek singpolyma - in both cases (email headers, *some* CSS properties/values) the fault was with insufficient responsiveness, not the vendor extensions themselves
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tantek in CSS at least we're fixing that
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tantek and in microformats, we've learned from the lessons in CSS
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singpolyma tantek: What do you mean by "insufficient responsiveness"?
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tantek stuff gets implemented, years go by, developers adopt, then standards work their way through their process
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tantek the "years go by" is the insufficient responsiveness
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singpolyma Right. Slow process. Ok, I guess that makes sense
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tantek which was the key part that caused problems
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tantek so it means that when the market shows signs of adopting something, we need to be responsive
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singpolyma Right
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tantek since microformats are based on publishing patterns, we *can* be responsive to such events
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tantek however, someone still has to do the work
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tantek here's a semi-urgent example
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gavinc So this where I get confused. Creating a vendor prefix for "court cases" I never really expect a lot of people to be publishing data about court cases...
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tantek gavinc - vendor extension is only if you want to use it just with your company / paying job and not worry at all about standardization
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tantek if you think it's got a good chance of being a useful standard, use -x-
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gavinc ah ha
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gavinc Got it
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tantek that semi-urgent example:
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tantek "page info"
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gavinc So court cases and their outcomes would be vendor, and -x- for say change of address over time as an extension to hcard?
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tantek see: Facebook OGP, Twitter Cards, and schema Page object - all implemented, (by Facebook, Twitter, G+ respectively, with some overlap)
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gavinc eg, this USED to be their address
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tantek all proprietary (though at least OGP is licensed with OWFa)
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tantek all because meta keywords failed, dublin core failed
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tantek so now there's THREE different vendor specific efforts for the same thing
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tantek if that's not begging for standardization I don't know what is
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gavinc dublin core got lost in RDF/XML vs. RDF vs own model for too damn long :(
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tantek dublin core was never based on web publishing patterns
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tantek dublin core was classic ivory tower style design
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tantek gavinc, I've seen such temporal information published on the web by using temporal wrappers
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tantek e.g.
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tantek blog posts (h-entry)
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tantek or <ins> and <del> elements
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tantek extending every individual property and or microformat for temporal changes makes no sense
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gavinc true
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gavinc Is there a standard temporal wrapper?
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tantek the <s> element may actually be useful here too, in its new HTML5 semantic
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tantek gavinc - the most standard temporal wrapper is hAtom currently
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tantek class="hentry" microformats
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tantek now "h-entry" in microformats2
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-entry
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gavinc gah
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gavinc but that doesn't provide a temporal range
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tantek which essentially makes a statement about something being true at a certain point in time
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tantek a temporal range sounds like an event ;)
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gavinc mmm, that's possible
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gavinc funny, but very possible
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tantek we've used hCalendar in that way as a component in hResume for example
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tantek each job and school being an "event"
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gavinc hehehe, being able to export a court case to ical
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gavinc okay that would in fact be awesome
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gavinc and attach for the court document
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gavinc oh dear
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gavinc this sounds like far too much fun
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tantek gavinc, sounds like you've solved a real world use case
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tantek now I just need to add microformats2 support to h2vx.com so you can get that ical feed from microformats2 h-event
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tantek (or anyone, as h2vx is on github)
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gavinc ... with 1 commit ...
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@RobertShippey I expected to hear about RDFa, http://Schema.org, XFN, FOAF, hCards, OG, whatever. Everyone gets the WHY, I want him to push the HOW.
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tommorris damn, missed tantek
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