#microformats 2012-12-21

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@webmarketing_dk Referencement Google: ADWORDS UTILISE OFFICIELLEMENT LES MICROFORMATS HREVIEW - Seller Rating... http://www.googleadwords.fr/campagne-google-adwords/adwords-utilise-officiellement-les-microformats-hreview/ #referencement
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royalzeliwcvdrqterrebonne created /Computer_Repair_Cypress_Texas:_Getting_The_Appropriate_Persons_For_the_task4472562 (+2212) "New page: There are many of computer repair corporations to pick from, however when you are looking for computer repair Cypress Texas, it's not easy vehicles kinds. You would like to generally feel ..." (view diff)
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gesalminen81 created /How_to_buy_twitter_followers (+3738) "The emergence of Twitter is one that has generated a revolution in marketing for those that are in business. If you are looking at this application and can not find the best way to approach getting results, then you can purchase better results to be" (view diff)
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@MattWoodwardUK @blogcoaching101 that will be this http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/author-hreview/ :)
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iSRAELi nhi
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iSRAELi hi
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iSRAELi :)
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iSRAELi Been wondering what is the difference between our beloved microformats
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iSRAELi and the ones on Schema.org
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iSRAELi ?
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rodpmiolmroltfineman created /Rent_to_own_homes_in_GA2129109 (+3897) "New page: Rent to own could be the accommodation acquiring appropriate paperwork withthe alternative to purchase the house in due course when it is chose according to the long run contractual date. ..." (view diff)
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JonathanNeal hello
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tantek good morning JonathanNeal!
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Loqi good morning! Clear and 38 degrees
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tantek Welcome back Loqi!
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JonathanNeal 38 degrees of a circle.
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tantek better than 38 degrees of separation
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JonathanNeal I'm back to marking down components. I may throw a few things your way to see what you think.
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tantek great
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tantek experimenting with real content in the wild like that is the best way to figure out what's needed and what isn't.
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tantek (as opposed to those who make up class hierarchies of 150 objects without ever having actually published content that needs them, ahem. #schema)
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tantek deleted /How_to_buy_twitter_followers "content was spam"
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tantek deleted /Rent_to_own_homes_in_GA2129109 "content was spam"
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tantek And confirmed, Loqi wiki edit logging is also working.
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek :D
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iSRAELi hi
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iSRAELi <iSRAELi> Been wondering what is the difference between our beloved microformats
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iSRAELi <iSRAELi> and the ones on Schema.org
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tantek microformats are based on real world publishing patterns and re-use previous formats/vocabulary. schema based a few things on microformats, and the rest appear to be plucked out of thin air, made up without any scientific research of any kind.
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iSRAELi so you can say that microformats is much more orginized than schema
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iSRAELi and thats why it is "better" microformats?
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iSRAELi i have found few codes that are pretty much "just chose what you preffer mf/schema"
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tantek rather, microformats are based in actual research in what people are doing on the web, and what will be useful to them
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tantek so they're much better grounded in reality. kind of like science (being based on research).
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iSRAELi yes, but i have found something on schema that i havent found in mf website
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iSRAELi like saying to google where is a link to a map
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iSRAELi defining the link
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tantek a map of what?
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iSRAELi a business location
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iSRAELi or whatever location
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iSRAELi it is in the hebrew webmaster guide
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iSRAELi by google itself
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tantek in hCard you can mark that up as another "url" for the business
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iSRAELi could you provide an example?
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tantek provide a link to a map for the address of a business, and you can simply add class="url" to it if it's inside an hCard.
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iSRAELi i mean something else, sec
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iSRAELi http://schema.org/LocalBusiness
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iSRAELi map URL A URL to a map of the place.
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iSRAELi map URL A URL to a map of the place.
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tantek and Google makes no use of that
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tantek they use the address you provide, and link it to Google Maps
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tantek they don't care what other map links you provide
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tantek it doesn't do anything
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tantek that's a good example of providing something which is useless
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tantek (in schema)
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iSRAELi im currently start to learn Local SEO
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tantek one of many reasons that microformats are *micro* is that we leave out useless things like that
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iSRAELi and they actually say some of schema propties there is useful
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tantek no more than what hCard already provides
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iSRAELi i actually began using hCard in my clients "contact" forms
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tantek so basically, you can waste your time trying to figure out what were the schema inventors thinking for each random property, or you can use hCard properties each of which has a specific function
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iSRAELi really useful, i really like it
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tantek that's probably one of the biggest problems with schema, so many useless objects and properties, that it wastes your time
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iSRAELi i rather use microformats, but what other than hcard there is to help me define a business place
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tantek like: schema.org/Volcano - are you going to get into Volcano SEO also?
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tantek what else do you need (besides what's already in hCard) ?
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iSRAELi i have no idea, im just trying to define whatever most stuff i can
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iSRAELi so google can read where is my business located
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tantek yes, hCard and adr do that for you already
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tantek see the examples at the top of http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
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iSRAELi i know!
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iSRAELi seethis:
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iSRAELi http://www.mlaofek.co.il/%D7%A8%D7%95-%D7%A7%D7%A9%D7%A8
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iSRAELi im making this more or less for all of my clients
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iSRAELi http://artprints.co.il/contact.html
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iSRAELi this is another client
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tantek Very cool!
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iSRAELi yep, but im trying now to make it even more informative
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iSRAELi so google can really localize my business
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iSRAELi like defining the map, and i saw schema offer it
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tantek edited /hcard-examples-in-wild (+93) "/* Organizations */ add Israel orgs and Art Prints to start with" (view diff)
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iSRAELi http://www.interhost.co.il/he/content/contact
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iSRAELi here is another client of mine
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iSRAELi though i couldnt use FULL hcard cause he cant provide much information
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tantek edited /hcard-examples-in-wild (+1) "/* = Israel orgs */ =" (view diff)
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tantek iSRAELi - the point is not to use the "full" anything - but rather to markup what you already publish
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tantek also, if you have more Israel businesses with hCard contact info, please feel free to add them to: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild#Israel_orgs
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tantek I added Art Prints.
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tantek so you can copy paste that one as an example.
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iSRAELi well i do try to add more information for google but not all of my clients can do so
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iSRAELi sure!
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tantek great
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iSRAELi i have like another 10 clients of mine with that
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iSRAELi i cant recall them right now though
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iSRAELi tantek,
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iSRAELi 2.2.5 Georgia orgs
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iSRAELi 2.3 = Israel orgs
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iSRAELi 2.3.1 Italy orgs
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tantek it's fixed - refresh :)
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iSRAELi :)
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iSRAELi it aint i think
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iSRAELi still shows italy as the sub to israel :P
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tantek might be cached on your side or something
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tantek do a shift-refresh or try another browser
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iSRAELi i tried ctrl+f5
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iSRAELi well if you see it right than its allright
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tantek check the history
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tantek and the click the Page link
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iSRAELi <div class="opening-hours">
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iSRAELi is that microformats?
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tantek not that's POSH :)
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tantek *no
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/POSH
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iSRAELi does google seem to be able to read it in the "rich snippet"?\
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tantek does it? it might be a Google Extension
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tantek do you have an example? would be worthy of documenting as research for improving hCard if there is use in the wild.
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tantek (example URL that uses it that is)
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iSRAELi http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.likeminders.co.uk%2Fcontact-register%2Fcontact-us%2F&html=
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iSRAELi it doesnt seem to read POSH
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iSRAELi i do think POSH can be improved somehow,
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iSRAELi like
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iSRAELi <div class="opening-hours"><span class="Sunday">Sunday</span> 8:00-15:00
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iSRAELi but you are the expert, maybe even defining the hours themselfs
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tantek opening hours is a *tough* problem
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iSRAELi how come
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iSRAELi isnt thats what POSH is trying to solve?
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tantek created /opening-hours-brainstorming (+2395) "move here from the *-examples page" (view diff)
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tantek edited /opening-hours-examples () "(-1618) moved brainstorming to separate page" (view diff)
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tantek moved / to /Special:Log/move "[[opening-hours-examples]] moved to [[opening-hours]]"
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iSRAELi as you know, google business places use opening hours as you define it in there,
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iSRAELi i really do think defining it inside the "contact" in the website, or even in the main page, could be informative
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tantek edited /opening-hours-formats (+514) "entry-title, related, intro, openstreetmap placeholder based in implication in brainstorming" (view diff)
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tantek edited /opening-hours-examples (+546) "stub" (view diff)
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tantek edited /opening-hours-examples (+10) "s" (view diff)
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tantek edited /opening-hours () "(-540) simplify since we have other pages for the other parts now" (view diff)
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iSRAELi i will be back shortly
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tantek iSRAELi - if you have a reference to where google business places defines how they use opening hours, please add it to: http://microformats.org/wiki/opening-hours-formats
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tantek thanks!
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iSRAELi i do
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iSRAELi one second
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iSRAELi https://plus.google.com/114547810503011186613/about?hl=iw
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iSRAELi near
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iSRAELi "services-printing"
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iSRAELi there is clickable link
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tantek iSRAELi - re: that google plus link, do you mean that as an example of what google publishes? is google getting that information from some other page on the web? or is it simply written by google?
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tantek !tell iSRAELi: re: that google plus link https://plus.google.com/114547810503011186613/about?hl=iw , do you mean that as an example of opening hours that google publishes? is google getting those opening hours information from some other page on the web? or is it simply written by google?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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iSRAELi Rich snippets - Organizations
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iSRAELi New! schema.org lets you mark up a much wider range of item types on your pages, using a vocabulary that Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo! can all understand. Find out more. (Google still supports your existing rich snippets markup, though.)
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iSRAELi :|
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iSRAELi tantek, google losing its support?
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iSRAELi i hate them, hcard is much more useful and easy
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iSRAELi tantek, i found this for some reason
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iSRAELi http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2011-July/013420.html
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iSRAELi is this private massage or just showing without theme ?
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tantek it's a plain text message - that's how nearly all standards emails are
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iSRAELi should it be public?
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tantek yes it's part of the microformats-discuss mailing list
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tantek http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
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iSRAELi thats the first time i ever subsribe to any website
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iSRAELi (knowingly)
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tantek it's ok, it's fairly low traffic
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tantek most discussion is here on IRC, so you're in the right place :)
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iSRAELi im spending so much time at work, i rarely have time for irc :S
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iSRAELi i do want to know as much as i can about the new optimizing with google via microformats
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iSRAELi and im always here to learn
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tantek cool - hopefully we can answer your questions :)
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iSRAELi yeah. like another question
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iSRAELi how do i subscribe lol
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iSRAELi it made me subsribe to some weird "mailman" or something
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iSRAELi i want to read all the news
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iSRAELi Followers
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iSRAELi 44,430
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iSRAELi give me some :<
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iSRAELi :P
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iSRAELi good night, im off to sleep,
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Loqi don't let the bed bugs bite
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@webmarketing_dk Referencement Google: ADWORDS UTILISE OFFICIELLEMENT LES MICROFORMATS HREVIEW - Seller Rating... http://tinyurl.com/6xzbcv4 #referencement
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