#microformats 2012-12-30

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iSRAELi <tommorris> iSRAELi: reminds me, I should probably tag up the Israeli Railways on OpenStreetMap as not being operational during Shabbat.
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iSRAELi where do you want to tag it? P)
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iSRAELi :)
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tommorris iSRAELi: well, I was discussing opening hours stuff with tantek earlier, and I'm an active OpenStreetMapper. I should probably add the operational hours of the Israeli railways to the stations and stuff. I was rather amazed when I visited israel that you have trains that run all night. I get utterly bored of having to leave London at quarter to midnight to
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tommorris get the last train home.
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gjones @tantak just looking at the u-geo using rfc5870 uri - should we included the whole uri in the JSON output i.e. https://github.com/microformats/tests/issues/2
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barnabywalters gjones: RE GH issue #3, that is correct
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barnabywalters I think one of the goals with µf2 => canonical JSON parsing is to avoid type-based parsing
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barnabywalters in some cases this is unavoidable, e.g. building a full datetime out of a split one, but in those cases the ecaxt behaviour is documented in the wiki
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gjones member:barnabywalters thats good, as I have done it that way, just checking
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barnabywalters gjones: great. OOI, what was the "member:" for?
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gjones I have kept in the implied rule in the code when dealing with v1 geo structure but not v2 geo
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gjones sorry copied you name from the listing, it must of added some additional meta stuff
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barnabywalters ah, no problem, just wondering :)
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gjones barnabywalters when your v2 parser, parses the older hcard do you applied the other implied rules like http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Implied_.22nickname.22_Optimization
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barnabywalters gjones: no, my BC is literally just swapping classic classnames for µf2 classnames. It’s not really meant to be very robust
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barnabywalters it has worked surprisingly well during my informal use, but it wouldn’t stand up to a classic µf test suite
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gjones I have t the rules in the code I am using, I was thinking weather they should be applied or not
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gjones I think we should as an author reading the wiki would reasonably expect this behaviour, but they are edge caess
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barnabywalters if my intent was to build a classic µf parser, then I would try to adhere to as many edge cases as possible, but php-mf2 is explicitly a µf2 parser. The BC attitude is to pretend that classic µf have been marked up as µf2, rather than to do a 'true' classic µf parse
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barnabywalters in the implied geo example you gave, that should be handled in the application layer — as a library consumer, I would need to handle the canonical JSON in whatever way I see to be suitable
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gjones With you about handling the data element like geo in the application layer as a library
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gjones The bigger issue is the classic parser libraries handle a lot of thing like includes and implied rules. If I drop all that stuff, all the more complex patterns of v1 will produce odd results in v2 parser
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barnabywalters I’m not against still using all those rules, I’m just not particularly interested in implementing them in the library I’m writing ;) Although if I find some to cause serious problems, I’ll fix them.
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gjones Was not suggesting you add them (they are a right pain). I will add tests for all of them and we can see if any are really needed. Most authors don't use things like table header includes for events :)
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@xtof_fr #microformats2 : la prochaine étape évolutionnaire vers un web de données. Traduction slides @t http://christopheducamp.com/wiki/slides-microformats2 - raffineurs welcome !
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iSRAELi <tommorris> iSRAELi: well, I was discussing opening hours stuff with tantek earlier, and I'm an active OpenStreetMapper. I should probably add the operational hours of the Israeli railways to the stations and stuff. I was rather amazed when I visited israel that you have trains that run all night. I get utterly bored of having to leave London at quarter to midnight to
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iSRAELi <tommorris> get the last train home.
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iSRAELi ?
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iSRAELi yes but the train is not crossing any place
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iSRAELi i was on the train maybe 20 times in my life
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iSRAELi actually i visited london, i could easily navigate there with busses 24h
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iSRAELi and cabs
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iSRAELi anyway yet they dont work in saturdays which is bad but also keepsisrael jewish
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tommorris sure, but out to suburbia.
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@DirtyDOLLAZ083 dirtydollaz can i live freestyle.mp3: http://r.getsocialize.com/e/62878140/?&propagation_source=other&activity_type=share&activity_id=3248679&user_id=95719134&platform=Android&sdk_version=1.7.0
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@gregoire Beau boulot @xtof_fr :) Microformats2: la prochaine étape (r)évolutionnaire vers un web de données http://christopheducamp.com/blog/2012/12/30/microformats2/ #microformats #html5
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tantek aaronpk - any idea what triggered Loqi to post that tweet from DirtyDOLLAZ083?
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek Loqi, uh, no, that was a false positive. Do you know why you shared it?
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tantek !spammer DirtyDOLLAZ083
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Loqi Got it! There are now 83 spammers blacklisted
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aaronpk tantek: i'm moving my twitter search script to a new server and making it use the streaming API instead of the rest API
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tantek ah I figured it out - the tweet happened to have a shorturl with "hcard" in the path: https://twitter.com/DirtyDOLLAZ083/status/285448212893028352
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@DirtyDOLLAZ083 dirtydollaz can i live freestyle.mp3: http://t.co/cxmPysim
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aaronpk ah crazy
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aaronpk I think that was was still the rest API. I just turned the streaming one on a couple minutes ago
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tantek you have to look at it on Twitter though, since Twitter t.co's them before returning them in the API like that.
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aaronpk we'll see if the streaming API returns different results
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tantek mentions from URL paths aren't necessarily wrong BTW
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aaronpk yea
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tantek er, aren't necessarily false positives that is
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tantek though if it's the shortpath of a URL shortener, it's likely a false positive. Not sure how to test for that though.
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aaronpk heh that's a good point
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aaronpk could actually check for 30x redirects and reject unless the final URL matches
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tantek that would likely help!
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tantek wow - I think my most popular blog post (based on the 200+ tweets referencing it) this year was the one about "HTML classes": http://tantek.com/2012/353/b1/why-html-classes-css-class-selectors
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aaronpk wow that's a lot of tweets
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tantek and I thought that would appeal only to a very narrow subset of web developers.
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tantek It was one of those, post it so I have a URL to refer to next time the question/argument comes up posts - I didn't post it to have it "take off" like that.
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tantek I have no idea why some of my blog posts are more popular than others. I wonder if any web stats/metrics tools could shed any light.
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tantek (on the *why*, not just raw #s)
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aaronpk could check referers or search terms
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tantek I guess what I don't understand is, I would've thought that more *useful* blog posts would be more popular, but maybe the web has a thing for detail-oriented arguments?
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aaronpk yea, I think taking a firm stance on something tends to lead to more sharing
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aaronpk this one was my most popular article by far http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2012/08/23/1/you-should-not-be-displaying-relative-dates, both on twitter and in visits. it dwarfs the total traffic to the rest of my site for the whole year
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tantek Ok, see, that's a great post. It's *very* useful, with plenty of solid reasoning.
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aaronpk it's also extremely opinionated
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tantek oh dear - its link to "reply on twitter" is broken: https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/2147483647
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Loqi https://twitter.com/ ::
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tantek did you delete the tweet?
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aaronpk oh no!
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aaronpk weird,
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tantek or maybe you're processing tweet IDs as ints somewhere in your code ;)
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tantek instead of strings
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk that number does look too small
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tantek exactly
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aaronpk yup, was stored as an int
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tantek the hackernews peanut gallery is hilarious. love all the supposedly factual assertions without citations.
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tantek oh dear - I hope you've got the data somewhere else. I store full URLs to the POSSE'd tweets of my posts.
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aaronpk it's stored in a yaml block, so it's just plaintext on disk. I had to add quotes around the number so it interpreted it as a string.
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aaronpk fixed now!
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Loqi ignore me plz
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