#microformats 2013-02-24

2013-02-24 UTC
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impomatic I guess this is okay? http://twitcode.org/show/340/h-cite-citations
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impomatic The only thing not really marked up is the publisher.
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tantek impomatic - those look good!
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tantek are those going on a particular page on the web?
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tantek if/when you do post them, it would be great if you could add the URL here: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-cite#web_citation_examples_in_the_wild
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tommorris tantek: ping. back on british soil. had a crack at doing h-cite to bibtex. the semantics match up quite nicely.
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tommorris then I got angry at how all languages suck at ISO 8601.
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tommorris so started porting gjones' isodate.js to Java.
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tommorris also, Ruby doesn't implement ISO 8601 properly.
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tommorris Date.iso8601("2012-12") == Date.iso8601("2012-012")
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tommorris edited /iso-8601 (+143) "/* ISO 8601 implementations in programming libraries */ Ruby, but no ordinal dates" (view diff)
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tantek tommorris - that's pretty funny (about Ruby getting ISO8601 wrong)
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tommorris and now my post grumbling about it is on the front page of hacker news
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tommorris edited /iso-8601 (+157) "/* ISO 8601 implementations in programming libraries */ +microformat-node" (view diff)
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tantek well done tommorris!
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tommorris note to future generations: sorry about the technological singularity not happening, we're still struggling with date-times.
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tantek that's a great post! classic tommorris rant style. :) http://tommorris.org/posts/8114
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tantek tommorris, did you mean "I hope Rails apps [are] doing input validation…" ?
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tommorris yeah, was gonna fix that
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tommorris was on shaky 3G. now home
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tommorris so, I was looking at h-cite to BibTeX. the only problem I'm having is that BibTeX requires a "type".
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tommorris like "book", "article", "url" etc.
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tommorris Book is fairly easy. If it has an ISBN, it's a book.
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tantek we don't do required properties any more
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tantek how about just pad it with type="citation"
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tommorris set everything as @misc ;)
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tommorris so, h-cite to bibtex seems like a very, very compelling use case.
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tantek yes. http://everythingismiscellaneous.com
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tommorris to roll it out on somewhere like Wikipedia, it'd be very useful to be able to export to BibTeX.
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tommorris hence why I'm looking at it. I've spent loads of time writing BibTeX by hand
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tantek "type" is such a horrible vocabulary term to mean anything. so overloaded.
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tommorris well, it isn't used in BibTeX.
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tommorris a BibTeX entry is of the form:
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tantek is it called "medium" then?
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tommorris @book{Smith2005, title = {My book about things}, author = {John Smith}}
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tommorris type is just what I'm using to refer to the word that comes after the @ and before the {
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tantek where's their taxonomy of @ "types"?
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tantek some made up hierarchy of crap like schemaorg?
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tommorris well, mostly in the code used by BibTeX
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tantek like do they have 5, 10, or 150 of them?
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tommorris about 20
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tommorris it dictates the rendering of the citation
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tantek are these 20 documented on the web?
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tantek or is this a LMGTFY...
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tommorris mostly.
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tantek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibTeX#Entry_types
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tommorris I can pop up some real-life BibTeX files. ;)
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tommorris I think "url" is considered a type by some.
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tantek wow what a dated set of "types"
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tommorris but still ridiculously useful and in daily use by academics, students and others.
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tommorris BibTeX annoys me in many ways, but still widespread in academia. ensuring we can get data out as BibTeX is a really compelling and easy win.
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tantek interesting. I wonder what this world is that consumes BibTeX.
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tommorris mathematicians, academic computer scientists, some philosophers, some physical scientists
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tommorris some of the academic journal publishers offer BibTeX for download
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tommorris Google Books does too
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tommorris and the whole DOI system allows you to retrieve BibTeX
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tantek sure, that's for retrieving BibTeX - but who actually consumes it?
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tommorris well, storing it for your own use when writing papers
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tantek might be interesting to write a BibTeX -> h-cite converter for taking existing BibTeX data and using it as referencing in blog posts.
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tommorris BibTeX to h-cite is easy. there are a fair few implementations of BibTeX parsing
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tommorris I've been using the Ruby BibTeX library (hence my grumbles about ISO 8601 date formats in Ruby)
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tantek wow bibtex (screw their capitalization, don't need it for understanding) predates the web!
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tommorris yep.
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tommorris there's a huge amount of cruft management in the tex world
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tommorris like, the transition to support Unicode. because obviously (la)tex predated Unicode
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tommorris when compiling a bibliography recently, the process often involved:
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tommorris 1. going to google books
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tommorris 2. typing in ISBN number, finding book
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tommorris 3. clicking BibTeX export
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tommorris 4. opening up file that downloads in text editor
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tommorris 5. copying into main bibliography file.
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tommorris 6. reformatting slightly for consistency
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tommorris there must be a better way. ;)
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tantek so even google books bibtex export can't get it right then
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tantek we have a better chance with h-cite to bibtex?
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tantek tommorris - if there are implementations that support an @url bibtex type, perhaps you should add that in an "Extended types" subsection under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibTeX#Entry_types and list/cite the implementations.
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tommorris yeah. I'll have a dig around and document on both microformats.org and wp
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tantek just so you don't redo this: http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-formats#BibTeX
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tommorris when I was an undergrad, I made my own BibTeX citation style template which I popped up on Github - https://github.com/tommorris/tomstyle
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@QueenWaqo @Princess_Idil As much as I wanna do that I can't tho it's tight on my HCard n it's Sunday :(
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