#microformats 2013-03-04

2013-03-04 UTC
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@Luiz_HCard Eai, acabei de chegar, e ja devia ta tomando banho pra dormir mas...hauha
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tantek edited /hcard-faq (+356) "/* What does FN stand for */ add How do you mark up a first or last name" (view diff)
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tantek edited /hcard-faq (+100) "/* How do you mark up a first or last name */ examples" (view diff)
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tantek edited /hcard-faq (-469) "/* How is gender represented */ noted p-sex and p-gender-identity as part of h-card, removed extra MSDN/Google links, move old gender brainstorming to [[gender-brainstorming]] accordingly" (view diff)
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tantek edited /rfc-6350 (+162) "/* new properties */ gender subproperties, code markup" (view diff)
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tantek edited /rfc-6350 (+128) "/* new properties */ h-card equivalents to gender subproperties" (view diff)
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JonathanNeal Say I've got two telephone numbers, one is a "cell" line and the other is a "clown" line.
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tantek Hey JonathanNeal
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JonathanNeal we can move the conversation here :)
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JonathanNeal since it's about microformats and all
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tantek Cool
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JonathanNeal is it "p-email" or "u-email"?
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JonathanNeal welcome back
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JonathanNeal Ah, I get it.
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JonathanNeal p-* is for simple properties
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JonathanNeal u-* is for url properties
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JonathanNeal beautiful
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JonathanNeal it's not "address", it's "adr"?
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JonathanNeal Why the save-some-bytes name?
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tantek "adr" is from vCard
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Phae Hi hober!
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tantek Hi Phae!
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JonathanNeal sure, but does hcard allow also for "address"?
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iSRAELi http://www.seobythesea.com/2013/03/google-change-search-result-snippets/
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iSRAELi lets hope it will not happen :S
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bretolius Do people know of any interesting browser plugins that do interesting things with the different semantic web data one might come across, like microformats?
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tantek JonathanNeal: No, hcard does not have aliases like "address" because that just ends up confusing people
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tantek (Having two names for the same thing)
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JonathanNeal Is there a classname that specifies when an element is a note of a property?
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tantek Note of a property?
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tantek iSRAELi: That seo article seems handwavy and useless almost like astrology.
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JonathanNeal <x class="p-tel"><x class="type">work</x>: <x class="value">714-849-1138</x> <x class="note">evenings and weekends only</x></x>
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Loqi 714-849-1138: Huntington Beach, CA.
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JonathanNeal Side note, that is awesome, that number is THX-1138 with the area code I grew up in … it was my way of doing lorem ipsum, but it really exists, wow.
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tantek JonathanNeal: When you start structuring a property like that, either you need a new microformat or another property
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JonathanNeal in an example, i saw "type" and "value" being used inside a p-tel, and I figured it was the place to put a note regarding the p-tel property too.
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tantek The "type" subproperty is only there for legacy
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tantek Might need an h-tel microformat in the future for this kind of thing
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JonathanNeal got it … so going back to my cell/work/volcano line, how do I mark up the type of p-tel I am listing?
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tantek It looked good
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JonathanNeal but the note took it too far?
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tantek No, type took it too far, but we have to keep it for legacy
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tantek So nothing new for sure
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JonathanNeal In this example, I'm marking up a neighborhood organization. People have their names, title in the org, email, cell phone, with notes after the number giving any special instructions about when to call those numbers.
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JonathanNeal cell phone, work phone, etc.
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JonathanNeal i'd prefer to use whatever worked best and not something legacy.
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tantek URL?
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iSRAELi <tantek> iSRAELi: That seo article seems handwavy and useless almost like astrology.
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JonathanNeal <x class="p-tel"><x class="name">work</x>: <x class="url">818-290-0210</x></x> ?
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Loqi 818-290-0210: Van Nuys, CA.
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iSRAELi yeah i have read it, it doesnt seem legit
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iSRAELi tantek i would love your review on the following microformats:
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iSRAELi http://www.meytavti.co.il/?p=152
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iSRAELi how is the code looks for you :D
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JonathanNeal If there isn't aliasing in microformats, then what is "fn" versus "p-name" ?
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tantek JonathanNeal: microformats2 switched from fn to name because fn has been too confusing to too many people for many years
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tantek Painful learned experience
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tantek And in contrast to other renamings, everyone who "fixes" vCard in their vocabulary switches fn to name
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tantek It's a rare example of a universally consistent renaming
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JonathanNeal all right.
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JonathanNeal Have I marked up the President's role in government correctly? https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478
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tantek That whole thing doesn't read as an org (which is how you marked it up)
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tantek If you want role use p-role
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JonathanNeal done, i was more concerned about category anyway. whew.
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tantek I mean, I'm not sure about the nesting
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tantek Or what exactly you're trying to do with it
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JonathanNeal Nesting isn't expected?
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JonathanNeal nesting is how I arrived at <x class="p-tel"><x class="p-name">work</x>: <x class="p-url">714-923-4964</x></x>
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Loqi 714-923-4964: Orange, CA.
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tantek Nesting is not the normal case
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tantek The normal thing is just a microformat with a flat set of properties.
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tantek Not sure what you're trying to do with p-tel there
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tantek I think you're trying to do too much with it
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tantek When I said URL I was asking for a URL to the page you were trying to markup
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tantek Not saying to add a URL peppery
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JonathanNeal hahaha
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tantek *propery
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tantek Lol
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tantek *property
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JonathanNeal i'm laughing at what i did, i wasn't laughing at your spellcheck.
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tantek The nested type for work thing is a leftover exception
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JonathanNeal i'm sorry you have such a vengeful spellchecker.
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tantek iPod
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JonathanNeal bummer about no nesting.
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JonathanNeal i'm just trying to mark up contact information appropriately in real world examples.
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tantek Just check out the examples on the value class pattern page for tel / type / value and don't make it more complicated than that
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tantek If its a real world example , start with sharing the URL to the real world example
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tantek Hard to sometimes evaluate what to do outside the context
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JonathanNeal I can send you one of the docs I'm working with.
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JonathanNeal I'm, like, "microformatting all the things".
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Loqi MICROFORMATT ALL THE THINGS http://loqi.me/6eo
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JonathanNeal exactly
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tantek Hahaha
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JonathanNeal I have this problem whenever I deal with a company over the phone. They can't tag notes to specific entries. They have one cauldron of notes and it all gets mixed up.
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JonathanNeal Anyway … I guess there aren't enough real world examples of the kind I'm looking for.
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iSRAELi :(
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iSRAELi http://images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=1121885&text0=microformatt&text1=all+the+things
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iSRAELi thats how i roll :D
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JonathanNeal I fleshed out the example https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478
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JonathanNeal I left "?" where I wasn't as sure anymore.
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@adactio @Malarkey One doesn’t. Or, more precisely, one updates one’s hCard on one’s website (or one’s avatar on Flickr).
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@Malarkey @adactio Strange. One’s hcard point to Twitter (rel=me / new avatar) and one’s Flickr has it too.
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@eobo hreview of Terra Tenebrosa's 'The Purging' on the mighty @Beardrock http://www.beardrock.co.uk/TgL
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iSRAELi hiz
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Amgine_ Newb question: If a Place schema object (e.g. AdministrativeArea) contains many other Place objects (e.g. LandmarksOrHistoricalBuildings), it's normal practice to put put the latter inside the former's container?
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JonathanNeal hello!
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iSRAELi hi :)
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iSRAELi JonathanNeal i heard you are one of the owners of Twitter?
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JonathanNeal This is exciting news.
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@ikhlaq16 http://www.hige-g.com/ap_iphone/_en/hcalendar.html
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JonathanNeal When I use "p-name", do I still need to use "fn" and "n"?
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iSRAELi mf2?
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JonathanNeal mf(latest)
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iSRAELi well i have never used mf2 so i guess this is it
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JonathanNeal That explains why my mf2 cards were not validating.
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JonathanNeal anyone well versed in http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 around?
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JonathanNeal Has anyone written an mf2 parser? http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing
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tommorris JonathanNeal: you want either gjones or barnabywalters. ;)
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JonathanNeal thanks tommorris :)
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tantek good morning
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tantek hi JonathanNeal
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tantek JonathanNeal - clearly you've pointed out that the microformats2-parsing page needs to list or link to current parsing implementations
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JonathanNeal I'm not trying to say anything cryptically. Making assumptions only gets me in trouble. :)
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JonathanNeal I was just wondering, since there was an outline of what the parsing would look like.
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JonathanNeal Which, btw, I think I got wrong when compared to my example from last night https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478
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JonathanNeal I couldn't find documentation to explain how the arrays worked, so I had neglected to include them, and I wasn't sure why the h- wasn't dropped in the JSON example, but all the u-, p-, etc were dropped.
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing (+181) "implementations mini section" (view diff)
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JonathanNeal Nice, tried http://microformat2-node.jit.su/
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JonathanNeal the inclusion or exclusion of the prefix is so weird.
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tantek JonathanNeal - simple rule, it's dropped for properties.
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tantek since the prefixes for properties are simply directives for different parsing
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JonathanNeal Why are all the strings wrapped in arrays?
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tantek because every property is potentially multivalued
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JonathanNeal example of when it would be?
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tantek your example - multiple phone numbers "tel"
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JonathanNeal https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478#file-readme-rendered-json - this was the output from the node parser.
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tantek JonathanNeal - I'm still a bit confused by what you were trying to do with all the nesting
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tantek in: https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478
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JonathanNeal you mean the nesting of p-given-name and p-family-name in p-name?
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tantek no that one made sense
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tantek since it's "common knowledge" that a person's name typically contains their family name and given name
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tantek however
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tantek the next one
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JonathanNeal p-role ?
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tantek what reasoning led you to markup things like that?
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tantek the only bit of that that seems to make sense for me
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tantek is: <x class="p-organization-name">United States of America</x>
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JonathanNeal For his role, I had used "category"
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tantek how is "President" an organization-unit?
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JonathanNeal I have no idea, that section was made based on conversations and not my own sense.
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JonathanNeal I'll mark it up like I would.
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tantek why the nesting structure in the first place?
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tantek what are you trying to accomplish?
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tantek you have to have a reason for each tag, otherwise, leave it out
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JonathanNeal https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478#file-readme-html
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tantek why all 3 x elements in <x><x></x><x></x></x> ? what's their purpose?
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JonathanNeal this is how i would have marked it up.
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JonathanNeal I use <x> when I'm putting together an example, to clarify that the element name doesn't matter.
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tantek ok - for organization-name, use the more broadly use "org" instead
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JonathanNeal to just remove it from the equation.
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tantek organization-name only makes sense if you feel a need to separate organization-name from organization-unit etc.
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tantek they're parts of the "org"
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JonathanNeal Originally I had "Executive Branch"
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tantek just as "given-name" and "family-name" and the other name related properties make sense as part of "name"
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tantek I guess part of the problem is that I don't understand the context of this information
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JonathanNeal I'm making a mf2 card for the President of the United States :)
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tantek is this a phonebook entry? a bio page? an example in an article?
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tantek do you have a photo of his business card to markup as text? ;)
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tantek are you are just making up what his business card would look like?
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tantek or is the purpose to write an illustrative example for h-card? (similar to the illustrative example here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Properties )
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JonathanNeal http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/president-obama and http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/write-or-call
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JonathanNeal to answer your question, I'd pick: illustrative example
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tantek ok that helps a lot
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JonathanNeal I tinker to learn.
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JonathanNeal Would it help distract you less if I used divs?
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tantek no - the question is more about why include some text content and not others etc.
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tantek because that's typically a design decision for a page, not a markup/technical question
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JonathanNeal I still don't know how to markup notes https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478
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tommorris p-note isn't an actual property though
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tantek tommorris - it is, on h-card
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tommorris ah, weird
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tantek why weird?
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tommorris I just ran the HTML that JonathanNeal posted through the node parser and it's emitting note just fine
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JonathanNeal tommorris: yea, i would like to associate it with individual entries, but i'm refraining from nesting it in the p-tel
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JonathanNeal as not to frustrate tantek just yet
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JonathanNeal so the parsing is good, i just don't know how to mark up valid notes for individual items yet.
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tommorris the address should probably be separately nested, no?
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tantek JonathanNeal - thanks for the whitehouse.gov URLs - given that context, if you're trying to make them into illustrative examples, just take their existing text literally and mark it up.
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tantek that way you're working as close to the real world content as possible
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tantek rather than introducing your own biases
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JonathanNeal if i take out my own biases, I don't learn how to note up specific properties.
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tantek your own biases in terms of modifications to the text
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tantek by not messing with the text, you focus purely on learning how to markup specific properties
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tantek rather than copy-editing foo
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JonathanNeal updated the example to reflect the nesting, tommorris https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478
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tommorris that's not giving the expected response. "tel": ["202-456-1111 Please don't call after 6pm. He's having dinner with his family."]
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Loqi 202-456-1111: Washington, DC.
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tantek why is the note inside the tel?
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tommorris handy Loqi ;)
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Loqi is done
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tommorris tantek: presumably because JonathanNeal wishes to add a note about the telephone number. sadly won't work. ;)
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tommorris the parser is parsing it according to spec
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tantek jonathanneal - in general properties don't have any structure in microformats2
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tantek the only thing that has structure are microformats themselves
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tommorris inside a p- elem, more p- elems are just going to have their text stitched together
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tantek microformats have a set of properties
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tantek *flat* set of properties
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tantek you can re-use the text of one property inside another by overlapping their markup
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tantek but the parsed result is still always a flat set of properties
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JonathanNeal okay
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tantek clearly you're trying to annotate a phone number with some structure
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JonathanNeal yes, i am
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tantek but there is no "phone number" microformat
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tantek therefore there's no way to markup a phone number with structure
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tantek (yet)
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JonathanNeal i figured everything could have a note.
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tommorris yeah, that's the sort of thing one might do in XML with attributes... but you can't do that with microformats. (trust me, I've tried to do similar things with RDF and it's very annoying that I can't.)
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JonathanNeal be it a structure or a property.
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tantek if you think there should be, you can start documenting real world examples of phone numbers published with structures
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tantek tommorris - no that's a misconception about XML
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tantek never put human readable content in attributes - that's a misuse of attributes
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tommorris Indeed. It's bad, but it's doable. ;)
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tantek it's syntactically doable, but it's bad use of XML
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tantek of markup in general
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tantek JonathanNeal - the text you gave "Please don't call after 6pm. He's having dinner with his family." is something you made up - therefore is not a real world example
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tantek re: "everything could have a note" - every microformat *could* have a p-note property
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tantek or put another way, a property (e.g. tel) is not a "thing" (in terms of every*thing*), a property is an aspect of a thing (a microformat, like a contact, an h-card)
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tantek if you want to make a property into a thing itself, you have to nest microformats
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tantek e.g. the author of a blog post entry is both a property (p-author) and can be further structured as a contact (h-card)
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tommorris the specific use case... well, there's some use online
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tommorris http://www.calstatela.edu/faculty/jhurley2/ "Text if possible, and please don't call after 8:30 PM."
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tantek another example, the venue for an event is both a p-location, and can be marked up as an h-card: http://microformats.org/wiki/uf2#h-event_location_h-card
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tantek that's how you structure properties
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tommorris A google search for "phone number" AND "please don't call" gives you a fair few. ;)
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tantek tommorris - you're welcome to start http://microformats.org/wiki/tel-examples with that research ;)
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tantek see guidance here: http://microformats.org/wiki/examples for how to start a *-examples page
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tantek This is part of our culture in microformats, if you believe in some form of markup use-case enough, then prove it so by documenting the research on the wiki. if that's too much work, then the use-case must not have been that important.
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tantek and thus we shouldn't bother coming up with markup for it.
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tantek simpler/smaller being better by default.
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JonathanNeal I have a list with instructions like that, but it's not on the web.
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JonathanNeal It's a word document sent my way.
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JonathanNeal It got me thinking about microformats, because everyone kept emailing everyone to update their number or add a note about when to call their office line or what have you.
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tantek indeed - if you keep your h-card on the web, people can simply subscribe to that URL and get updated when you update it
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tantek instead of spamming everyone with email
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tommorris JonathanNeal: so, publish it on the web. Perhaps use p-note to start publishing it. then add it to the wiki ;)
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tantek tommorris - using p-note to publish it won't help
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tantek because as noted - p-tel is itself not a microformat
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tantek if you want to structure a property, you have to make it into a microformat itself, like the location of an event: http://microformats.org/wiki/uf2#h-event_location_h-card
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JonathanNeal In the case of <div class="p-tel"><div>202-456-1111</div>… is there a classname i could throw on that div child div, or am I marking it up the best I can?
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tommorris yep, but you could put p-note on the microformat. the point is that it's part of the process. if microformats doesn't do what you currently want it to, start publishing anyway.
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tommorris JonathanNeal: you should put p-tel on the element that contains only the phone number itself and nothing else
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tantek right why are you using two divs?
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JonathanNeal "start publishing anyway" … that worries me … based on my experience with other web "standards".
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tantek when one would do?
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JonathanNeal tommorris: precisely, but i want to signify that the note belongs to the number.
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tantek JonathanNeal - indeed, "start publishing anyway" means more like just use your own class names - not microformats per se, when experimenting with extra semantics.
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tantek see poshformats
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tantek JonathanNeal did you review the event / location example?
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tantek until you review that, you're not going to understand how to structure properties (add a note to a tel)
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tommorris created /tel-examples (+625) "starting this off" (view diff)
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/poshformats
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JonathanNeal tommorris: http://www.geico.com/about/contactus/phone/
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tommorris incidentally, any communication system that requires communication as to when you are allowed to use it is probably ripe for deprecation... ;)
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JonathanNeal http://www.statefarm.com/about/contact/tollfree.asp "toll free number"
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Amgine_ sync vs. async
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tantek tommorris - close - a bit of inverted structure you have there
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JonathanNeal tommorris: https://www.consumersenergy.com/content.aspx?id=1120 "Emergency calls", "Nonemergency calls", "for landlords to notify
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JonathanNeal us of customer changes", etc.
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tommorris also, did hCard deprecate phone roles etc.? like we used to have home/cell/office etc. has that transitioned over into microformats2 hcard?
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tantek edited /tel-examples (+284) "restructure with examples being primary, rather than just to prove one point (note)" (view diff)
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tantek tommorris - those were phone "types"
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tantek tommorris - when documenting real world examples, the example is primary, and the things the example publishes (e.g. a note etc.) are secondary and should be nested underneath the example
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tommorris tantek: noted.
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tantek the point of researching/documenting examples isn't to prove a need for particular property
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tantek but rather to research *what are the needs* for that type of information
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tantek so for each example, there should be documentation of what aspects of information are published in each
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tantek and then the aspects that are in 80/20 of examples can form the basis of a brainstorm proposal for a microformat
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tantek but aspects that are only in a few examples, probably not needed
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tantek edited /tel-examples (+129) "part of the process context, see also" (view diff)
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tommorris edited /tel-examples (+354) "adding 192.com" (view diff)
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tantek tommorris - 192.com just seems like a contact example
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tantek not really anything structured about the phone numbers there
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tommorris yeah, I was hoping to delve through and find if they are doing anything weird with phone numbers
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JonathanNeal I had all sorts of things I wanted to add notes to.
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JonathanNeal But I guess … that requires turning every property into a structure.
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JonathanNeal Which is a bummer.
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tantek edited /tel-examples (+337) "tel examples should be specifically about the "tel" not just the enclosing contact, for which we already have hCard" (view diff)
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tantek JonathanNeal - why do you want to add notes to all sorts of things? what's the use case?
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tantek what kind of existing things that you're publishing on the web have such notes?
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JonathanNeal a bio page
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JonathanNeal i'll just take notes in my head on "how to best write things in a way that is sympathetic to the potential future of microformats"
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tantek JonathanNeal - hopefully you shouldn't have to worry about it upfront like that
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JonathanNeal ouch, that turned out badly https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478
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tantek rather, write things in whatever way best fits what you're trying to display / express
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JonathanNeal nesting is bad.
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tantek and then adapt microformats accordingly
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tantek also, do it with a real world example, for yourself first, rather than a hypothetical / illustrative example
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tantek you're more likely to produce more meaningful text/markup that way
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tantek in my experience, when people do hypothetical / illustrative examples first, they end up making up a bunch of things with assumptions that turn out to not matter in real world examples
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tantek nesting in general is confusing to folks (authors), so the less nesting that is required/needed, the better
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tantek flatter is better
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tantek fewer elements is better
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tantek etc.
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JonathanNeal This will work for me :) https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5080478
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tantek lunch time
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JonathanNeal enjoy. nom nom.
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tommorris adds microformats2 h-card (and some more RDFa) to his site.
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JonathanNeal Are there recommended extensions for adding a person's Twitter, Facebook, G+?
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tantek those are just URLs
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tantek no extensions needed
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tantek JonathanNeal - see: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Link_it_up (and that page in general)
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tommorris edited /interested-in (+312) "/* interested in examples */ adding OKCupid" (view diff)
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tommorris JonathanNeal: you may want to add rel="me" ;)
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tantek tommorris, that's in the examples at the URL I gave ;) http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Link_it_up