#microformats 2013-04-10

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JonathanNeal hi
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tantek hello JonathanNeal
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JonathanNeal how have you been, tantek?
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tantek pretty good, how about yourself?
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JonathanNeal Crazy.
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JonathanNeal I joined a non-profit community organization that needed some technology updating, and as each update rolled in, so a new problem was brought to light.
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JonathanNeal It has consumed me.
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tantek oh dear - that sounds like a lot of work!
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JonathanNeal On the plus side, I have become an ardent microformats lover.
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tantek woot! hopefully helpful in your work?
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Loqi :D
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JonathanNeal For instance, we have a membership roster that has some major issues.
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JonathanNeal They accept membership from individuals, families, and businesses, but they only have a first and last name field in their spreadsheet.
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JonathanNeal My first membership list is comprised of about 240 members, all mixed, with the form fields being used by best guess of what would fit.
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JonathanNeal This is my chance to make it sane.
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JonathanNeal I plan to manage this roster as a json file, borrowing completely from the mf2 syntax.
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JonathanNeal and all that "family-name" stuff we talked about before.
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JonathanNeal 240 members is a large sample size, and I'm positive mf2 is up to the task.
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tantek that's great that the mf2 syntax/vocabulary can help you clean up that data
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tantek I think so too - and when you're done with all the markup you should be able to automatically convert them to vCards as well
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JonathanNeal I know! I'm really excited. I just go the roster tonight.
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JonathanNeal Starting with JSON, should I keep the p- and u- stuff?
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JonathanNeal I would drop them, right? Since I'm not specifying what field should be read of an element?
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tantek no the p- and u- are parsing directives in the class names
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tantek right
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tantek note that those prefixes are absent from the parsed JSON examples in the spec
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JonathanNeal Right! Great.
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JonathanNeal Next question, can I create a list with mixed membership, individuals and businesses?
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JonathanNeal How do I markup a business entity alongside a person?
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#How_do_you_mark_up_an_organization
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tantek that's the answer for hCard. you can figure out the h-card equivalent right?
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JonathanNeal fn org, really? in mf2
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tantek no in mf2 you'd use the respective mf2 property names
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tantek hence, h-card equivalen
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tantek t
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JonathanNeal I don't see those for businesses.
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JonathanNeal only given-name, family-name, etc.
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JonathanNeal Or could I use organization-name?
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JonathanNeal Here's another weird one, they have FIRST NAME: The, LAST NAME: Aaron's Family.
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tantek fn in hCard -> p-name in h-card
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tantek org in hCard -> p-org in h-card
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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JonathanNeal What is the difference between "org" and "organization-name"? http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2
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tantek hmm - I don't think we have any specific recommended way to markup references to whole families. I guess you could treat them as orgs - that seems reasonable.
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tantek JonathanNeal - I should drop those (organization-name and organization-unit) as they're not used in practice.
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JonathanNeal Wow, that's definitely a good reason not to use them, if you're going to drop them.
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JonathanNeal org for a family? hmm.okay.
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tantek edited /microformats2 (+0) "/* h-card */ move organization-name and organization-unit to reserved section since they're not used in practice (or very little - no publication evidence)" (view diff)
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tantek and look at that, we just simplified h-card :)
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tantek thanks JonathanNeal for asking a good question ;)
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JonathanNeal you're welcome. would you clarify why org is the best option for marking up a family?
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JonathanNeal Then, how would I markup a custom field. For instance, we have a "JOINED" field, with entries like "Jun-91".
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JonathanNeal And another field, "TYPE" which lists the type of membership they have.
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tantek JonathanNeal because a family is like an organization?
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tantek it's the closest we have currently
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JonathanNeal I guess so, I'll use "org": "Aaron Family". Thanks.
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tantek if you wanted to gather examples of URLs that publish information about families (e.g. Wikipedia pages), perhaps we could see if they merit a separate microformat
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tantek for custom fields you have to decide whether they're just custom to this site, or do you think they'd make useful extensions to the spec
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JonathanNeal Tough to say. It's reasonable in a membership list to include when they joined.
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tantek that's an interesting challenge, because that's not an aspect of the person, but rather it's something about their relationship with the list.
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JonathanNeal I live near Disneyland, and you can buy, like, three different kinds of annual passes. They care about the date you joined and the kind of pass you have purchased.
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tantek that sounds like group membership type stuff
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JonathanNeal It does, and those pages were empty on mf
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tantek we've done some brainstorming on groups/membership formats but I'm not sure it got very far
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tantek which?
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JonathanNeal http://microformats.org/wiki/group-formats
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JonathanNeal I got there from http://microformats.org/wiki/group (whch is also a little bare)
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JonathanNeal I'm not sure what to call the different membership types, other than "membership types". They're not roles.
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JonathanNeal The other hurdle I'm curious about is ZIP codes.
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JonathanNeal oh duh, they're "postal-code"
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tantek yes :)
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tantek membership types could be tags/categories
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tantek edited /group (+56) "entry-title, see also" (view diff)
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JonathanNeal Not sure how to markup a tag/category in JSON, hmm.
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JonathanNeal Ha, in this list, our first name is listed as "Jonathan and Christina" and our last name as "Neal". Should I make us an org too? Should I keep the family-name property?
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tantek JonathanNeal - tag/category is an hCard concept
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tantek you're listed as a single member?
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tantek perhaps we need a microformat for couples? ;)
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JonathanNeal for lovers
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JonathanNeal haha, but yes, for couples
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Loqi awesome
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JonathanNeal Thankfully, Mrs. Neal took my name, so we don't need to tackle household membership for people with completely different names just yet.
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JonathanNeal But if you want to solve both in one swoop, that's okay too.
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JonathanNeal I could make "name" an array, with two objects containing "family-name" and "given-name".
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tantek that would imply a single person with multiple family-names and given-names
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tantek (which exists in Spain for example)
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JonathanNeal Ugh.
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JonathanNeal Then what should I do?
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JonathanNeal Cut myself out so at least my wife can be in the database?
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tantek or put yourself as the Neal family?
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JonathanNeal That would be destructive to the database, abandoning those "given-names"
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JonathanNeal Ideally, I can take everything they've given me, and give it a property name, not drop it because mf hates families :P Y U HATE FAMILIES
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tantek Y U NO ?
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tantek (:|)//
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JonathanNeal { "family": "Neal" }? { "org": "Family", "family-name": "Neal" }?
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JonathanNeal { "org": "Family", "family-name": "Neal", "given-name": ["Jonathan", "Christina"] }?
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JonathanNeal { "org": [{ "family-name": "Neal", "given-name": "Jonathan" }, { "family-name": "Neal", "given-name": "Christina" }] }?
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tantek with hCard you can either represent an individual person or an org
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tantek so you have to choose which you're trying to do
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tantek if you're representing an org, that's described above as to how to
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tantek but that also means that the given-names are essentially just an FYI
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tantek and won't be interpreted as given-names (they're ignored for orgs)
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tantek they certainly won't be implied as to mean given-names in a family - since there are no family semantics in hCard itself
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JonathanNeal because you hate families, i know
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JonathanNeal sorry, i'm kidding, and i don't like sarcasm. i'm sorry.
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JonathanNeal not sure why that habit came back.
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JonathanNeal so, _I_ can interpret them with meaning, even if everybody else doesn't, but how would I mark them up and retain all of the data without explicitely breaking from the spec?
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JonathanNeal I know it means I would use an org, but where would i put the given-name, family-name stuff?
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JonathanNeal interpret them = interpet these membership entries
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tantek for now you could put the "Jonathan and Christina" in the p-note
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tantek and we may want to start research on how people publish mentions/descriptions of families on the web
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tantek perhaps related to the genealogy research
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/genealogy
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JonathanNeal Well, I guess I'll just make something up.
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JonathanNeal I don't want to destroy data, and I already need the note field.
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JonathanNeal Any suggestions for joined date and renewed date?
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tantek like I said, those are more about the relationship between the member and the group rather than about the member or the group itself
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tantek so I'm not sure how those would make sense to markup
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JonathanNeal Well, I'll be storing them with the member, so i couldn't imagine putting them anywhere else.
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JonathanNeal Sad how so often I end up just making mf inspired sheets, but rarely can conform.
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@referencement Ca va devenir bien laid Google ;) RT @seoblackout les microformats hreview prennent le pas sur le screen video dans les serps de Google.
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@CyrMartinez RT @referencement: Ca va devenir bien laid Google ;) RT @seoblackout les microformats hreview prennent le pas sur le screen video dans l ...
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ChiefRA they started again to use mass subscribing software... mrrrrr
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@webmarketing_dk Referencement Google: ADWORDS UTILISE OFFICIELLEMENT LES MICROFORMATS HREVIEW - Seller Rating... http://tinyurl.com/6xzbcv4 #referencement
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@istiaak Author hReview: Show Google Rich Snippet Star Rating in Search Results http://roadtoblogging.com/show-star-rating-in-google-search
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@dickelippe @pfefferle Ha, lustig... eben in meinen vor Tagen geöffneten Tabs im Browser gefunden: http://tantek.com/presentations/2013/04/microformats2/ ;)
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iSRAELi wow
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iSRAELi ok
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iSRAELi if i will see microformats2 catch with google, my boss will finance me a book
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iSRAELi :)
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iSRAELi i will also try to make him finance me some travel to usa for a convention of mf21
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iSRAELi mf2 :D
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iSRAELi the book is 100% for sure
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iSRAELi the travel? maybe 1% :D
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JonathanNeal hello
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TheSisb Does including microformats affect SEO?
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TheSisb hi
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tantek TheSisb, yes - http://microformats.org/wiki/search-engines
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TheSisb thx
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JonathanNeal Good morning, tantek!
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iSRAELi hize
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iSRAELi :D
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iSRAELi <TheSisb> Does including microformats affect SEO?
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iSRAELi <TheSisb> hi
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iSRAELi yes
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iSRAELi on google.com mostly
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iSRAELi :D
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iSRAELi -1? :S
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iSRAELi damn i hate wiki lol
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iSRAELi here we go
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iSRAELi had issue there with the link
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iSRAELi ok
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iSRAELi good night
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Loqi buenas noches
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iSRAELi :D
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iSRAELi laila tov
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tantek good night!
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@mondoxibaro @Filmaffinity Hombre ya iba siendo hora :) Que tal la introdución de Microformatos http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview
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@cineclubesGal @Filmaffinity Estaría bien una app en Html5 que sirve para Android, IOS, Symbian y Windows phone. La utilización de microformatos Hreview...
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@Martin_Cooney Chk this one: Review of Author hReview for Serious Bloggers http://www.cooney.com.au/review-of-author-hreview-for-serious-bloggers
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