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# colares microformat proposal for sheet songs!! Reviews are encouraged! https://github.com/colares/hSheetSong/blob/master/hSheetSong-example.md
# colares Loqi
# colares !tell iSRAELi Hey! microformat proposal for sheet songs!! Reviews are encouraged! https://github.com/colares/hSheetSong/blob/master/hSheetSong-example.md
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# ChiefRA !tell colares interesting, I'll subscribe with my website to them too.
# ChiefRA tantek what do you say about https://github.com/colares/hSheetSong/blob/master/hSheetSong-example.md, should we make a proposel on microformats for it?
# ChiefRA proposal*
# ChiefRA of course, they need to follow the microformats2 expresion with h-
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# iSRAELi <colares> !tell iSRAELi Hey! microformat proposal for sheet songs!! Reviews are encouraged! https://github.com/colares/hSheetSong/blob/master/hSheetSong-example.md
# iSRAELi :D
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Loqi iSRAELi: colares left you a message 4 hours, 16 minutes ago: Hey! microformat proposal for sheet songs!! Reviews are encouraged! https://github.com/colares/hSheetSong/blob/master/hSheetSong-example.md
# ChiefRA yep, but he needs to have a look at the microformats2 syntaxex and comply with them
# ChiefRA as the new format starts with h-
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barnabywalters hi colares
# barnabywalters colares: hSheetSong? interesting, I’d be interested to see it
# colares hi!
# colares barnabywal Nice to hear it! I've wrote something at https://github.com/colares/hSheetSong
# colares barnabywalters: Nice to hear it! I've wrote something at https://github.com/colares/hSheetSong. What do you think?
# barnabywalters colares: just reading it. Have you checked out previous research I documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/sheet-music-examples
# colares barnabywalters: mmm.. I've looked for something like this, but haven't found it. that's what I'm talking about!
# barnabywalters colares: also, if you’re interested in live, real-world examples of musical notation microformats, check out http://waterpigs.co.uk/music/tunes
# barnabywalters I’m using some custom µf2 properties
# barnabywalters it all parses nicely
# barnabywalters (you can check at http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2
# colares barnabywalters: great job. Well, but I was thinking about this kind of sheet. http://ukes4fun.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/blueeyesdonpartridge-landscape-scaled500.jpg?w=500&h=353
# barnabywalters colares: your proposal looks good, I particularly like the idea of supporting better autoscroll/more helpful hints for performance
# barnabywalters colares: great, okay — so mixing lyrics, chord, tab and notation is not something I have any experience in — certainly an interesting problem
# barnabywalters the first thing to look at is how you would write this using plain text
# colares barnabywalters:
# colares barnabywalters: "the first thing to look at is how you would write this using plain text" what do you mean?
# barnabywalters so, given that example you gave (http://ukes4fun.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/blueeyesdonpartridge-landscape-scaled500.jpg?w=500&h=353), how would you write that as a text or HTML document?
# barnabywalters I believe there are fairly well-known formats for guitar tab, but I have no experience there
# colares oh! ok, a real world example
# barnabywalters colares: that’s even better :)
# barnabywalters I like the ukulele-tabs site’s chord diagrams on hover — that’s a lovely bit of UI
# barnabywalters their autoscroll UI is also interesting, if a little dumb
# barnabywalters so perhaps a problem to focus around could be intelligent autoscrolling
# colares yeah, a little dumb
# barnabywalters so, what would be an improved UI? perhaps pausing on each line/verse, then quickly scrolling to the next
# barnabywalters and setting the speed in BPM or something
# colares actually, I was thinking about something like responsive design also.
# barnabywalters colares: how so?
# barnabywalters literally, flexible notation/diagrams?
# colares do you know some past bin for images?
# colares kinda
# barnabywalters http://imgur.com/ perhaps?
# colares Yep! hehe
# colares Well, something like these http://imgur.com/oXVcUfn
# barnabywalters colares: ah, great
# colares http://imgur.com/Q9a1dW4
# barnabywalters and the colours encode verse boundaries?
# colares yes
# colares As you can see, the design can would be flexible
# barnabywalters okay, great
# barnabywalters so, given this example, what extra functionality could be added by the use of a microformat?
# barnabywalters also: do you have the code for that somewhere — on GH perhaps?
# colares what GH means? hehe
# barnabywalters github
# colares about the code, there is something raw, but I can post it
# colares hehe
# colares something like that: http://pastebin.com/FCzJTheF
# colares I've talked to a musician friend. she told me about "prosody" (i don't know if this translation means the something in portuguese). in short, I'm means "put a verse under the chord" (I was writing the opposite, putting chords inside a verse)
# colares **She meant
# barnabywalters so given that markup, it would be quite simple to write a script which highlights each chord and the text in time
# barnabywalters but it would be more difficult to, for example, scroll to the next verse
# barnabywalters colares: do you have an account on the wiki? we should document this all on there
# colares yes, I have. ok! let's do this. Do you think I should create a new page?
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# barnabywalters colares: great! okay, if you start by adding a new section to sheet-music-examples, then we can build out from there if we need to
# barnabywalters so, your code should go in sheet-music-brainstorming
# colares I mean, do you think this micro format should be a new one or an extension of what you created? Anyway, I think the two jobs should collaborate! :)
# barnabywalters colares: I never actually standardised anything as I was the only one interested in it, but your ideas have stronger use cases than mine, so we should focus around those
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# colares mm
# colares ok
# barnabywalters colares: I dumped some of your links and thoughts in sheet-music-brainstorming
# barnabywalters feel free to add to/tidy them up
# colares great!
# colares (just for the record, I want to avoid something like these: http://www.cifraclub.com.br/legiao-urbana/pais-filhos/. As you can see, there a LOT of empty and useless blank space. it's just annoying if you're on a tablet or smartphone.)
# barnabywalters colares: perhaps add it to sheet-music-examples under a “negative” heading?
# colares what do you mean by negative heading?
# barnabywalters colares: so, under Examples, make a “Bad Examples” section, and add the link, perhaps with a summary of what you think is bad about the UI there
# colares mm ok
# colares unfortunately I've got a go now. :( But let's keep in touch, I'll increase the document
# barnabywalters colares: me too (lunch!) — great work, looking forward to working more on this :)
# colares great! also, I would love use this kind of thing to publish papers.
# barnabywalters colares: academic papers? check out h-cite and h-entry :)
# colares first of all, because is something that I really like hehe
# barnabywalters I know tantek is keen to iterate on h-cite, and start using it in the wild
# colares Oh, I mean, I would love to pubislh papers about sheet-music microfmarts AND usability
# colares i must hurry! we see! regards
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