#microformats 2013-04-24

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zztw are there any microformats meetups going on in SF lately?
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zztw http://microformats.org/wiki/meetup#San_Francisco seems a bit old
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/events has the latest
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tantek zztw, I put a link to the latest at the top of that section so hopefully it's more discoverable
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zztw cool, i just figured out how to view the calendar in Thunderbird/Lightning ... google calendar said it couldn't view due to robots.txt exclusion
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@davidsgallant LOL http://www.youhavezeroprivacy.com/hcard/ahJ5b3VoYXZlemVyb3ByaXZhY3lyDgsSB1Byb2ZpbGUYuHUM
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aaronpk aw man, twitter doesn't mark up their page with microformats
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@Martin_Cooney Chk this one: Review of Author hReview for Serious Bloggers http://www.cooney.com.au/review-of-author-hreview-for-serious-bloggers
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aaronpk hmm how best to include geo data on an h-entry? http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2#h-entry says to use h-geo, but that's not h-adr, is an h-adr on an h-entry ok?
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aaronpk actually I may have to just fall back to p-geo for now since I'm not sure all the possible combination of values i'll get back from this data source
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@VtZ_ microformats2 &amp
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Loqi HTML5 : La Prochaine Étape Évolutionnaire pour le Web de Data http://christopheducamp.com/blog/microformats2-html5-la-prochaine-etape-evolutionnaire-pour-le-web-de-data-video-33-minutes/ via @francoisgoube
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@NTKOG RT @Marakana: #microformats2 &amp
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Loqi #HTML5: The Next Evolutionary Step For Web Data - @t of @Mozilla's video from @HTML5DevConf - http://t.c…
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barnabywalters woah, Loqi
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barnabywalters what even was that
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tommorris morning barnabywalters
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barnabywalters morning from a snowy iceland, tommorris
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@TNuutinen RT @Marakana: #microformats2 &amp
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Loqi #HTML5: The Next Evolutionary Step For Web Data - @t of @Mozilla's video from @HTML5DevConf - http://t.c…
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@DG_N1nja @microformats just a heads up that the CSS-generated button link at http://microformats.org/wiki/buttons#hCard and http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Buttons is broken.
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Loqi HTML5: The Next Evolutionary Step For Web Data" by @t http://lanyrd.com/2013/html5devconf-spring/scfrbg/ #h5m2 #html5devconf
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@GregGifford use http://www.geositemapgenerator.com/ to create schema and hcard markup for your site @w2scott #pubcon
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jgay I would like to propose a new rel value to http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values can someone help me out?
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jgay Basically, I'm wondering which table I should add it to
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jgay But, I'm also hoping someone might be around to talk about it before I add it at all :-)
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tommorris jgay: the standard process is to document the need for it.
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tommorris existing-rel-values documents existing rel values. microformats process is collecting data on the need for things. it's inherently rather a conservative process, albeit a data-driven, scientific one. ;)
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tommorris sketch out what you are trying to do with reference to pages on the existing web
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jgay tommorris, ok, cool. So I have that, here, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/javascript-labels.html ... in this case it is rel=jslicense ... although I don't make the case on this page explicitly why I think rel=jslicense is sufficiently different from rel=license ... but I can do that
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tommorris so, the initial objection I'd have would be - what about non-JavaScript code?
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jgay tommorris, can you give me more things that are worth documenting while making my case for why it is useful?
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jgay tommorris, that is a great point!
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tommorris languages like coffeescript and dart and so on are transformed into JavaScript. plus, even things like CSS may reach the point of being copyrightable.
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jgay tommorris, right, that is a good point. And we have svg and other things
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tommorris things like the various CSS resets that people use are almost like code and are probably copyrightable. the same issue you'd face with wanting to rel-license would come with that.
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tommorris or mark the licensing rather.
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tommorris the other problem is that there's a coupling problem
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tommorris we haven't really solved coupling of metadata to objects very well in microformats yet
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tommorris like, we're still sort of tinkering with things like hMedia and images.
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jgay tommorris, so the primary thing we are trying to achieve is that when you are giving the user an executable program that we link to a resource that contains a triple of: program supplied to user AND license file AND corresponding source to program
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tommorris tantek might be interested in this conversation. ;)
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tommorris jgay: so, ther'es potential for data to go stale
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tommorris like, let's say I'm using library X that is GPL2 licensed. so I make my javascriptlicense.html file
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jgay tommorris, I don't think I'm following the last couple things you said
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jgay ok, i'll follow the example
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tommorris then I switch and start using library Y which is GPL3 licensed. I'll obviously update the <script> tags in the page
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tommorris but it's very easy to forget to update the linked copyright attribution page
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tommorris in an ideal world, the JavaScript licesning information should be based on the data used in the script tags. ;)
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tommorris that data is heavily coupled.
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jgay tommorris, right, I'm with you on that ... and even then, you have another coupling problem, which is to provide corresponding source for minified code
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jgay tommorris, that is why our approach is to link to a page that contains triples of minified code, license, and source
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jgay tommorris, it's not elegant and I'm hping there are better approaches down the road :-)
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tommorris so, here's kind of why the process is useful - plonk together an example of that somewhere on the public web
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tommorris the page on gnu.org essentially is a proposal for one way of implementing technically the legal requirements you've suggested
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tommorris s/suggested/listed as being required of people using copyleft JS code/g
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Loqi tommorris meant to say: the page on gnu.org essentially is a proposal for one way of implementing technically the legal requirements you've listed as being required of people using copyleft JS code
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tommorris microformats works on a publish-first-standardise-later model.
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tommorris on existing-rel-values, once there is a few published pages with it on, it might be worth listing
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tommorris plus, you can use the microformats wiki to document the issue you are trying to solve (making visible the hidden license metadata of hidden elements of pages like JS and CSS).
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tommorris jgay: does that sorta answer the question?
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jgay tommorris, there are actually a fair number of pages and one or two firefox extensions relying-upon the rel tag already
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tommorris oh cool. do put them on the wiki then. ;)
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jgay tommorris, ok, great, this is very helpful ... although I feel like I am now back to my original question :-)
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tommorris if there's use on the web, you can put it on existing-rel-values.
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tommorris don't worry about screwing up formatting or anything like that. I can fix it or tantek or someone else will
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jgay ok, perfect. Should I also make a page on the wiki I link to to provide a longer description and example sites using it, etc?
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tommorris yeah, maybe a page like license-software-brainstorming or something like that. ;)
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jgay tommorris, yeah that sounds good. I inherited this project ... otherwise I would have started it here before publishing it live and getting a bunch of sites to use it
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jgay tommorris, thanks again.
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tommorris jgay: no problem. good luck with it.
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tommorris with my Wikipedia admin hat on, I'd be interested to see what the legal situation is around Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike licensed JavaScript. we have some of that on Wikipedia.
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tommorris In fact, quite a lot of it. ;)
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tantek thanks tommorris!
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tantek and yes - if there's a rel value proposed, PLEASE add a page for it on the wiki as well to describe any questions, issues, use in the wild etc.
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tantek even just a stub
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tantek here's an example of a rel-* page I created recently with a bunch of this information: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-in-reply-to
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jgay tantek, ok, great.
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jgay tommorris, are you aware of the mediawiki bug discussing licensing/source offers?
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jgay err, wikimedia bug, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36866
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jgay tommorris, also, I'm happy to talk with you sometime CC BY SA licensed javascript. Feel free to PM me anytime or whatnot
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jgay tantek, tommorris, ^^ I'll try to add it to the table now as well
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tantek huh, interesting, just for external javascripts? e.g. not for other external resources?
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tantek why not for external images for example?
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tantek I don't particularly like the design myself, but if there's folks already make it work in practice ...
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jgay tantek, I think a more general spec would be nicer. There are people using it. It'd be nice to deprecate it's use in favor of something more general that has both source and license info
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jgay *its
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jgay tantek, maybe something like rel=src-license
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jgay if I change our recommendation and the firefox extension starts looking for a new rel tag, I think most of the sites that are currently using it will switch pretty quickly
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jgay ok, well hopefully this conversation can continue via wiki. I'm off for the night. Thank again for the help.
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