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# ChiefRA tantek how can I start the translation process for microformats 2 in Romanian?
# ChiefRA what's the accepted URL format for this?
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tantek so there's a Romanian translation in progress here: http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-ro
# tantek see http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-start-new-translation for the URL format and other details
# ChiefRA this one I know, I have contributed in the past to it.
# ChiefRA the main page in RO
# ChiefRA what I don't know is how to start the new one.
# ChiefRA the mf2
# tantek see http://microformats.org/wiki/stable-pages for pages to also translate to *-ro versions
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# ChiefRA ok
# tantek if that's not clear from http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-start-new-translation could you suggest rewording or a new paragraph for that page to answer the question you asked?
# ChiefRA what I wish to add, is that the link to the mf2 page,
# ChiefRA should be residing as close as the top of the page as possible.
# ChiefRA here, http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page after the first paragraph should be placed the link tothe new version of mf, saying maybe latest version of microformats can be found here, or smth like this.
# ChiefRA the latest version is microformats 2 (with link beneth)
# ChiefRA yes.
# ChiefRA it will improve the CTR
# ChiefRA the language should be structured in directories e.g. instead of http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-ro we should have http://microformats.org/ro/wiki/Main_Page (the same structure as the english version but with )the /RO/ directory in between
# ChiefRA this would ease users experience on the website and Search Engines website structural understanding
# ChiefRA ok, it makes sense
# ChiefRA ok, when you place the mf2 link on top, let me know to make the same adjustment for the main page in Romanian also.
# tantek edited /Main_Page (+114) "note microformats2 is ready for use in the summary at the top." (view diff)
# ChiefRA in a sec.
# ChiefRA I suggest to make it like this: New: microformats2 is the latest stable & interoperable markup language extention. Use it on public web pages and for HTML APIs.
# ChiefRA :)
# ChiefRA yes, but the the keywords arrangement makes the difference
# ChiefRA when people search for it in google.
# ChiefRA e.g. what's the latest markup language?
# ChiefRA OR what the latest microformats?
# ChiefRA I don't see any difference.
# ChiefRA DOH! :)) now it's ok.
# ChiefRA I like it better.
# ChiefRA you're welcome :)
# ChiefRA one more thing:
# ChiefRA I;ve noticed we have 2 duplicate pages for microformats2: one is http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 and the other one is http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2
# ChiefRA the 2nd one should be 301 redirected toward the first one.
# ChiefRA also, there are links in articles towards the 2nd URL type.
# ChiefRA I cannot, as It seems that I don't have access anymore on editing main pages.
# ChiefRA at least the english ones doesn't have the Edit button active anymore.
# ChiefRA try to put a rel=canonical tag on the 2nd URL <head> section then, towards the main URL.
# ChiefRA that would help.
# ChiefRA e.g. on the http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2 <head> section of the page code, add <link rel="canonical" href="http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2" />
# ChiefRA on a side note: the microformats2 page, should also be referred from the main page of the website http://microformats.org/ like perhaps a new small right box in between "What are microformats?" and "Microformat specifications" saying something like "Microformat version" as a title and place both versions, the old one is the latest with a short description, and the new one should be imediately under the title, with the same description below: microfo
# tantek ChiefRA captured: http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do#inbox
# ChiefRA hol;d on, I'll put an example too, I'm creating it as we speak.
# ChiefRA just tell me how can I edit main english pages to change the microformats-2 URL referrals
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# ChiefRA this is the example of the right mini box I was talking about: http://screencast.com/t/77YHGASumqm
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# ChiefRA I will add this example
# ChiefRA there also, to the suggestion
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# ChiefRA nn tantek, I can't edit it.
# ChiefRA so someone which have access to the HTML code, should be doing it.
# ChiefRA :)
# ChiefRA hopefully, they'll read our chat :)
# ChiefRA oki doki.
# ChiefRA yw
# ChiefRA yep.
# ChiefRA should I add the rel=canonical also ?
# ChiefRA as an admin-to-do task?
# ChiefRA ok, I'll place it there.
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# ChiefRA tantek by accident, you're still on?
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# ChiefRA adminhelp guys I would need the Wiki source codes for the main english pages to be able to translate them as they are not editable anymore (maybe protected from admin?). How can I get that? (It's very hard to translate pages without having the original source code, as you have to template everything from the scratch which is waste of time).
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# ChiefRA tantek ok thanks. I'll keep you posted once it's finished.
# alefteris in h-card 2, can I use p-name as a container for p-given-name, etc.? In hCard 1, I could use "n" for that
# ChiefRA alefteris let me check.
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# ChiefRA as far as I understand it, p-anme is the old fn
# ChiefRA p-name*
# ChiefRA so yes, you could do it.
# ChiefRA to be sure, do it and test it with the microformats2 parser.
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# ChiefRA tantek I can't find the parser address in the mf2 page.
# ChiefRA I wanted to give it to alefteris for testing.
# ChiefRA alefteris see the link above from tantek for testing your implementations.
# alefteris are there any web parsers that accept html and parse microformats 2?
# alefteris I haven't got anything live yet
# alefteris ok checking out a few, thanks
# tantek edited /validators (+154) "/* general purpose validators */ Test your microformatted web page with" (view diff)
# ChiefRA put it live, it's quite simple, make only a standard HTML code around it and that it.
# ChiefRA that's it.
# tantek e.g. for validating, see: http://microformats.org/wiki/validators
# ChiefRA alefteris you can paste your mf2 implementation code here: http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/
# ChiefRA see what happens.
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# ChiefRA tantek, http://microformats.org/wiki/validators it's a nice resource, we should use that more ofter within the pages.
# alefteris I tried http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/ but the result while it parses everything, it doesn't show any structure, for ex. that name contains given-name etc
# ChiefRA I think an easier way would be a diferent new menu
# ChiefRA on the mf2 page, under implementation saying validator
# ChiefRA I know, but when someone is looking in the right upper menu, won't find validators, only implekmentation which is not the same thing
# ChiefRA I was menitioning this for the ease of work with.
# alefteris so if I provide a "given-name", "family-name", is it wrong to also provide the "name" or its best to do without the "name"
# tantek ChiefRA - here you go: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#validating
# ChiefRA can you hange that to be: microformats2 validator(s)?
# ChiefRA that's also search related wise :)
# ChiefRA people will search for that specificly in google.
# tantek edited /microformats2 (+89) "/* validating */ use key phrase for easier findability" (view diff)
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barnabywalters alefteris: it’s always a good idea to provide a name — given name and family name are optional extras
# barnabywalters and you can mark up given-name and family-name with name and it’ll get parsed correctly
# barnabywalters with each as a separate (non-nested) property
# alefteris probably, since a few countries don't have such distinctions between family, given name now that I think about it
# barnabywalters alefteris: yep, or give them in a different order
# ChiefRA tantek perfect.
# ChiefRA you're welcome :)
# alefteris possible to mark job title with h-card 2.0? I have some markup with mf1 and I had a class="title", but now that I look at the hCard 1.0 wiki, I don't know where I got it from :/
# alefteris sory 1.0 has title
# iSRAELi hellooo
# iSRAELi :)
# ChiefRA hi iSRAELi
# alefteris I guess I can use h-resume to mark job title now instead of having it though h-card?
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# ChiefRA alefteris should be an easier way of marking up only the hjob title with the h-card.
# ChiefRA the funny thing is I don't see it within the specs either.
# ChiefRA tantek any suggestions? :)
# ChiefRA or barnabywalters :)
# barnabywalters I thought it was p-role
# alefteris ChiefRA: there is none. And h-resume has "nested h-card of the organization, location, job-title" but h-card has nothing about job title
# barnabywalters must have not made it over to mf2 — tantek, is this on purpose or an accident?
# barnabywalters role is in classic hCard
# ChiefRA yeah, there should be an p-job or p-title
# ChiefRA or anything else to sound familiar.
# alefteris barnabywalters: job title in hCard 1.0 is "role" or "title"?
# ChiefRA alefteris if tantek is not answering, ramain in this channel and he will when he's back at the computer.
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# barnabywalters alefteris: hm, actually not sure between the two of them
# barnabywalters looks at VCARD spec
# ChiefRA alefteris is title
# barnabywalters From RFC2426:
# barnabywalters Role: To specify information concerning the role, occupation,
# barnabywalters or business category of the object the vCard represents.
# barnabywalters Title: To specify the job title, functional position or
# barnabywalters function of the object the vCard represents.
# alefteris haha, a bit overlap here I think
# ChiefRA ok guys, see you tomorrow, I'm heading home, have a nice evening all.
# alefteris ChiefRA: bye and thanks
# ChiefRA alefteris stay around and wait for tantek's answer, it will come :)
# ChiefRA you're welcome.
# ChiefRA bye barnabywalters tantek
# iSRAELi well im going to convert a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR website
# barnabywalters bye ChiefRA
# iSRAELi to use either hCard or hResume
# barnabywalters yes, I think the only difference is that role is more of a prose description of the role, title is the actual job title
# barnabywalters but “title” is a nasty semantic with lots of potential for confusion
# barnabywalters iSRAELi: sounds good :)
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# alefteris barnabywalters: I'll with p-title and since it is now in real use, game over :p
# alefteris the php-mf2 parses it as well :)
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# alefteris tantek: I don't know if you have seen the previous discussion about the p-title missing from h-card?
# alefteris or the "role" property
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# alefteris thanks
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# tantek when you've got your site up with microformats2 support, add it to: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Examples_in_the_wild
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# alefteris tantek: will do, but nothing important, just my blog. Wasting time probably trying to make it semantic, more that it has to.. I have mf2, microdata and rdfa lite 1.1 right now :/ But no CSS yet, go figure..
# alefteris are there any web services that "consume" mf2 right now or it's too early?
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