#microformats 2014-01-28
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@jeena @shanselman @t no, but a combination of protocols like mailto: tel: skype: and microformats http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard (twitter.com/_/status/427992690408824832)
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chiefra edited /reinvented-wheels (-240) "Undo revision 64165 by [[Special:Contributions/Michaelrandolph|Michaelrandolph]] ([[User talk:Michaelrandolph|Talk]]) => removed spammy links" (view diff)
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# ChiefRA !tell tantek Hey. The old behavior of Loqi to drop everything happening on the website on this channel was good, can you setup Loqi to drop all tha info but on a secondary channel like #mf-back
# ChiefRA !tell tantek that will prevent spamming on the #microformats but will keep us informed of what's going on the website in real-time like before.
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# elux does anyone even use microformats?
# elux it would be great if it was more pervassive for sure..
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barnabywalters there are a fair few people who’ve rolled out support recently who haven’t been added to that list, actually
# elux i see, thats great
# elux are there any other formats or similar semantic markup initiatives to add semantics to html?
# elux things like oembed, opengraph and twitter-card are picking up
# elux the latter to for business reasons
# barnabywalters elux: several, e.g. RDFa and microdata
# barnabywalters elux: none of the three examples you gave actually add extra semantics to HTML
# barnabywalters they just fill pages with silo-specific invisible metadata
# elux well, oembed no, it just adds a link to head to fetch semantics about data on a page
# barnabywalters which means nothing to humans
# barnabywalters even Facebook is apparently ignoring open graph metadata now
# elux opengraph and twitter-card so add meta to the <head> of a document.. so not semantics layered ontop of content, but it does add semantics on the document
# elux barnabywalters: that is what they use to make a shared link look have a richer ui in their stream
# elux im just recently looking into this stuff.. so i could be all wrong here
# elux just based on what im seeing..
# barnabywalters elux: IIRC we recently removed open graph data from indiewebcamp.com because Facebook wasn’t doing anything with it
# elux well, the og: tags are still there
# elux but, ill do some reading on it
# barnabywalters ah, apparently tantek raised an issue but we haven’t removed them yet: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/6
# elux strange fb isn't doing link previews for it..
# elux that sucks..
# barnabywalters just tried it on Facebook.com, it is indeed ignoring the extra elements
# barnabywalters elux: the most interesting microformats development and usage is happening in the #indiewebcamp community at the moment
# barnabywalters implementing things like cross-site comments and likes using microformats and simple HTTP protocols
# barnabywalters there are also some people building microformats feed readers
# elux thats great
# elux i think the hardest part about microformat addition would be the authoring tools need to support it
# elux people have a hard enough time just getting things done and building a business
# elux seo and discovery data, which semantics help with, are all at latter stages
# elux the goal would be to bring them up.. ie. in the authoring tools.. or whatever else helps
# elux og: stuff makes sense because its easy to add
# barnabywalters pfefferle: demonstrating that either they’re too difficult to author and maintain, or that Facebook isn’t very good at parsing them ;)
# elux pfefferle: yea .. i was wondering if that was the case too..
# elux well.. or there are minimum requirements
# barnabywalters elux: we’ve been building some validation UI to help people with authoring, e.g. http://indiewebify.me
# elux nice
# barnabywalters and there are some indieweb publishing/blogging tools which have deeply ingrained microformats support e.g. http://idno.co
# barnabywalters as well as some wordpress plugins and themes which help get microformats in pages, and also to parse them off other sites for indieweb comments
# barnabywalters but it’d be great to see more authoring tools built
# elux well
# elux you gotta figure out how to make it brain-dead simple
# elux and add lots of value
# elux business value
# barnabywalters elux: that’s our focus, broadly speaking :)
# barnabywalters elux: have you tried publishing or consuming microformats? I’d be interested to hear feedback based on real world experience or problems
# elux :)
# elux naw i havent'.. i just heard about them yesterday
# elux by finding them obscurely through embed.ly
# elux so thats my feedback :)
# barnabywalters elux: oh cool, how did embed.ly lead here?
# elux ohh.. google :)
# elux i noticed embedly parses some basic microformats .. and then i searched "microformats".. etc.
# barnabywalters oh cool, I wasn’t aware embedly parses microformats
# barnabywalters I wonder if they’d be up for implementing some microformats2 support
# barnabywalters looks like they use python
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# elux barnabywalters: how do you kno python?
# barnabywalters elux: it’s the first language they mention on their Jobs page, so probably a good bet :)
# barnabywalters they also use node.js, there’s a really good node.js mf2 parser
# elux good point :)
# barnabywalters the python one is a little younger but almost ready for basic use
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