#microformats 2014-05-28

2014-05-28 UTC
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mko Has hCard been updated to support <picture> yet?
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mko Or, perhaps more appropriately, is the image in the fallback <img> `src` attribute always going to take precedent over potentially more relevant and appropriate image files found in <picture> <source> `srcset` attributes when parsing for hCard? (cc: tantek)
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mko I ask because http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2-implied-properties#image_and_name_photo_properties makes no mention of the <picture> element and only refers to <img src> as the default for finding an implied image in an hCard.
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mko Loqi tell tantek "See 17:50:40 in #microformats IRC logs"
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Loqi dude
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KartikPrabhu mko: it seems the policy is to wait for enough use cases in the wild before updating the spec
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KartikPrabhu also, "potentially more relevant and appropriate image files found in <picture> <source> `srcset` attributes" is ambiguous as a microformats parser does not actually have a "viewport size" or "pixel ratio" which is what those things target
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KartikPrabhu tantek: this was asked while you were away: http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=28+May+2014&e=28+May+2014
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tantek oh hey mko
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tantek re: http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=28+May+2014&e=28+May+2014
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tantek KartikPrabhu's instincts are correct
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tantek !tell mko the next question is, do you know of any real world examples of people using the <picture> element as part of contact information (or information about a person) ? or inside an h-card? If so please add here: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card#Examples_in_the_wild
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu i wondered about this one myself when <picture> became "official" but there no widespread use yet afaik
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tantek KartikPrabhu: exactly, your line of thinking was precisely correct.
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KartikPrabhu :D
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tantek in terms of "which" <picture> or <source> or src-set or <img> would be picked up, for explicit markup, only the element(s) which have the properties on them.
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KartikPrabhu the trouble is that if there is a src-set then it is hard to pick one source
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tantek we'd likely pick them all
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KartikPrabhu possibly
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tantek anyway, this is the kind of theoretical discussion that's not much help until someone produces a concrete real world example
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tantek and then we'll figure it out based on real world publishing practices
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KartikPrabhu I essentially do that on my site but through javascript and not picture element. The mf parsers pick up the fallback image inside <noscript>
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tantek !tell mko also, you can add an issue to http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues about "How should parsers handle the <picture> element?" to capture the issue, especially if you're unable to find any real world publishing examples of <picture> with contact info.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: it seems that html5lib ignores things inside <noscript> is that correct behaviour?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: updated mf2py with your back_compatibility additions
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kylewm woohoo
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: also see: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/41
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KartikPrabhu html5lib quirks that I am collecting. feel free to add to it
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KartikPrabhu tommorris: added backwards compatibility for legacy microformats to my mf2py fork... PR?
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