#microformats 2014-07-01

2014-07-01 UTC
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@eri100 手探り状態でhcardエラーもまだ修正できてないけど…(^_^;) WordPress はじめてのmicrodataマークアップ実践 http://hyaku.info/wordpress-microdata-markup02 #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/483968697338306561)
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kp edited /xfn-brainstorming (+360) "/* rel-reader */ added reader/reading" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: ^ see: http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-brainstorming#rel-reader
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tantek darn it KartikPrabhu why you have to go and be so smart ;)
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KartikPrabhu lol! :P
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tantek I'm instantly liking rel=reader and rel=reading, though "reading" is still tough as a noun (rel values are nouns).
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KartikPrabhu old habits die hard...
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tantek I mean, keep it up :D
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KartikPrabhu tantek: so is following
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tantek KartikPrabhu: except Twitter introduced popular usage of "following" as a noun
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KartikPrabhu aah I see
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tantek so that's what's driving htat
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tantek s/htat/that
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Loqi tantek meant to say: so that's what's driving that
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tantek Twitter has already "educated" a lot of people
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KartikPrabhu hmm actually "following" is a noun, the collection of followers
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tantek on "follower" vs. "following"
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tantek as terminology
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tantek in their UX etc.
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KartikPrabhu true!
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KartikPrabhu in any case... now that people are thinking about this on IWC a consensus mught just emerge
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tantek KartikPrabhu: a consensus already emerged
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KartikPrabhu I might still use "Readers" and "Reading" as the list names on my site
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tantek in microformats, on follower and following
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KartikPrabhu aah ok
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tantek so you're technically re-opening that discussion
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tantek and *breaking* consensus
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KartikPrabhu oopsies!
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tantek in the hopes of a better solution
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tantek which is *fine* only in that no one implemented rel=follower or following AFAIK
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KartikPrabhu always thought "following" is creepy
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KartikPrabhu I would never say "I am following you" in real life
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tantek KartikPrabhu: people have been saying "follow me on…" as an *invitation* on Twitter etc. since 2007
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KartikPrabhu yes... I am still not used to "weird internet word use" :P
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KartikPrabhu so it might just be my problem
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tantek KartikPrabhu: people say it *on TV*
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tantek it's a popculture thing
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KartikPrabhu yes! but still weird :P
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tantek KartikPrabhu: there are many things about pop culture that I find "weird"
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KartikPrabhu agrees
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tantek I try to treat it as something to study (like an anthropologist)
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tantek and set aside personal weirding outs
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KartikPrabhu or studying alien cultures :P
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tantek yes. that.
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KartikPrabhu yup. so lets see what vocabulary the indiewebcamp folks adopt
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tantek man where's KevinMarks when you need him
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tantek he was key to the last consensus
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KartikPrabhu tantek: "reading" is also a noun it turns out: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/reading?q=reading#reading__6
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KartikPrabhu reading (noun): Written or printed matter that can be read
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tantek it is also the act of reading out loud
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tantek like so and so author is doing a reading
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tantek or I saw the author at the reading they did
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KartikPrabhu yup. admittedly not in popular use as a noun though
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tantek depends on how many authors you follow and go attend their readings ;)
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KartikPrabhu :P
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tantek I've attended many
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KartikPrabhu i suppose most people have done more "following" than "reading"
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tantek I typically only follow (book) authors that I read.
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tantek follow does make sense in a broader sense than read - in that you follow someone's activities beyond what they write
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tantek you don't "read" a photo do you?
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tantek or someone's geo checkins
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KartikPrabhu yeah I was thinking of the same problem. photo, music, video, podcast
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tantek you literally follow them
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tantek read seems a bit text-authored-post specific
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KartikPrabhu agreed
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tantek so I think I'm back to preferring follower / following
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KartikPrabhu yeah it seems this sort of activity has no traditional non-web analogue. so we have to follow conventional web-language
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KartikPrabhu <see what I did there with follow> :P
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gRegor` "absorbs" a photo. :)
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KartikPrabhu lol!
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KartikPrabhu ok I am now with the "follower/following" thing
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gRegor` one of us, one of us . . .
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kylewm "followers" creepiness reminds me of https://twitter.com/fraying/status/482297686796693504
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@fraying Call me old fashioned, but I still don’t like referring to real people as “users.” (twitter.com/_/status/482297686796693504)
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tantek kylewm - where fraying is unfortunately wrong is that to most sites, users *are* drug addicts, it's just that the drug they're pushing is dopamine.
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tantek is tempted to tweet that but it sounds a bit too dark
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kylewm ha, i like it
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KartikPrabhu :P
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tantek of course now that I said it in IRC, there's an h-entry for it, and thus any of you that support posting reposts on your site can repost it ...
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tantek and now that we figured out how to POSSE reposts of posts which don't have syndicated tweets themselves...
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tantek oh nevermind, this is #microformats
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tantek so no h-entry for our utterances ;)
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