#microformats 2014-07-21

2014-07-21 UTC
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mko tantek: Designing for something in JSON as the source of truth is no different than designing for something in HTML except that it allows for more useful repurposing without requiring as much of a translation layer or removal of presentational elements. Separation of concerns and all that. Designing for the Portable Contacts schema is silly. We agree on that. I'm not sure why you think I like Portable Contacts. I just mentioned that
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mko Passport uses the Portable Contacts schema as a standard for its unified profile system.
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tantek mko - those same excuses were made for XML, and will be made for whatever replaces JSON in 5-10 years. Meanwhile, HTML+microformats will endure, on the web, in archive.org etc. All programmer formats are ephemeral, and thus a poor source of truth.
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tantek also, before XML, the same excuses were made for databases/SQL
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@wpulsarblog Author hReview Plugin Review - #WordPress #wp http://tinyurl.com/m6o2t9k (twitter.com/_/status/491176392931827714)
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@wp_digest RT @wpulsarblog: Author hReview Plugin Review - #WordPress #wp http://tinyurl.com/m6o2t9k (twitter.com/_/status/491176802211987456)
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@ntxsol @_BrandonTurpin fo you have any suggestions about working through hcard error? I've worked through authorship and publisher errors. (twitter.com/_/status/491188651577974784)
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aaronpk what's the current recommendation in microformats2 for publishing numbers with units?
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aaronpk like 2.4 miles
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tantek there is no "current" recommendation
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tantek there was work on an hMeasure microformat that in some ways went too far
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tantek check that out and h-recipe too
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aaronpk looking at h-recipe
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/h-recipe
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tantek heh
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tantek :)
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aaronpk durationt makes sense as 1H for one hour
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aaronpk you're saying this is what went too far? http://microformats.org/wiki/measure
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aaronpk i'll just stick to my current NNuu for now. (150 lbs, 2.1 miles, 13 mph, etc)
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tantek yes /measure went too far
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tantek this would be a cool thing to solve for science
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aaronpk for science!
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tommorris measure could reuse something like the data element
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tommorris not sure how
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tantek the problem is the units portion
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tommorris so, a simple JS implementation on an individual's site could sort of build a barrier reef to make measures more useful
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tommorris like, if there were a simple way to mark them up *and* a simple bit of JS that let you click on them to convert them.
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tantek right, emphasis on the *simple way*, which hmeasure was not
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tommorris interestingly, Microsoft's F# has a type system that enables these kinds of measures quite nicely. You can declare a value to be in a particular measure type which is orthogonal to its numeric data type (int, float etc.)
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tantek and no one else cared enough to work on it to simplify it
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tantek probably need some practical publishing examples along with some use-cases to start with
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tommorris Use case 1: my American friends use these funny Fahrenheit things to talk about the weather. I want my computer to tell me what they are talking about in Celsius without me having to manually work out the conversion in my head. ;-)
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tommorris My computer is rather faster at arithmetic than I am.
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tantek that sounds similar to <time> use-cases
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tantek tommorris: do you publish notes mentioning Celsius temperatures?
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tantek perhaps start an update to /measure-examples with that
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tommorris will have a look at some point. :)
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