#microformats 2014-08-15
2014-08-15 UTC
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# 
jonnybarnes im trying to write an implementation of the authorship algorithm
# jonnybarnes and it fails on this
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Erkan_Yilmaz my experience:
# Erkan_Yilmaz adding mf worked, at least pin13 showed it
# Erkan_Yilmaz then I read about the backward compatibility:
# Erkan_Yilmaz http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/ shows it correct as json
# Erkan_Yilmaz but now pin13 shows only:
# Erkan_Yilmaz (no values)
# Erkan_Yilmaz "items": [
{ "type": [ "h-card" ], "properties": { "name": [ "" ] } } ],# Erkan_Yilmaz is adding it in a mediawiki page
# Erkan_Yilmaz interesting, when I add the mf-only-code and the mf2-code also there, pin13 shows the mf2-JSON
# Erkan_Yilmaz (so: separate, not mixed as in the backwards-compatible example)
# Erkan_Yilmaz ok,
# Erkan_Yilmaz the hcard generator was nice for the mf
# Erkan_Yilmaz will try now the signature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats#Signature
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KartikPrabhu Erkan_Yilmaz: aaronpk pin13 should work with both mf and mf2 markup existing simultaneously right?
# Erkan_Yilmaz well, the backward compatible didn't work: http://skilledtests.com/wiki/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz&diff=21057&oldid=21028
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# KartikPrabhu Erkan_Yilmaz: I am confused by your page: http://skilledtests.com/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz why is the microformats section showing the HTML markup as content?
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# Erkan_Yilmaz perhaps I did it wrong?
# Erkan_Yilmaz it's new territory for me
# Erkan_Yilmaz I was happy pin13 showed the JSON correct
# Erkan_Yilmaz let me see how I can make it invisible
# KartikPrabhu Erkan_Yilmaz: you have to put the microformats stuff in the HTML not as wiki content
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: exactly
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# Erkan_Yilmaz hm :-(
# KartikPrabhu Erkan_Yilmaz: also putting all microformats in an invisible section is not good anyway. You should use microformats to markup existing visible content
# KartikPrabhu not sure mediawiki syntax supports adding HTML markup directly unless you mess with their templates
# Erkan_Yilmaz perhaps I am just doing it wrong? reading (1) sounds like it should be possible somehow
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# Erkan_Yilmaz looks into his old history, I had some <div>-tags used there once
# Erkan_Yilmaz there <- in my signature
# KartikPrabhu Erkan_Yilmaz: yes. but all those things should go in the HTML (possibly through your template) and should not be escaped
# Erkan_Yilmaz I see, let me see if there's a html extenstion or so
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# Erkan_Yilmaz https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTML_Tags sounds nice
# Erkan_Yilmaz "Another potential usage of HTML Tags is to embed microdata (especially the kind that can't be embedded already using $wgAllowMicrodataAttributes)."
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# Erkan_Yilmaz yay, I got it now working via templates
# Erkan_Yilmaz no plugin needed to be installed
# Erkan_Yilmaz let's see if I can turn them also into mf2
# Erkan_Yilmaz thx again KartikPrabhu aaronpk
# KartikPrabhu sure thing
# Erkan_Yilmaz but it's not really full microformats, now I just have: url fn (which is enough for me now)
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# KartikPrabhu Erkan_Yilmaz: the good thing about microformats is that you can add them bit by bit and it still works
# Erkan_Yilmaz :-)
# Erkan_Yilmaz I saw via pin13 that mediawiki seems to enable some other tag attributes in the JSON output by default also
# KartikPrabhu yeah it probably adds some rel stuff autmatically
# Erkan_Yilmaz yes, you're right. it's in the "rels"
# Erkan_Yilmaz I actually came from the webmention, pingback notifications to mf
# Erkan_Yilmaz I first got in contact with mf via MMN-o when he added it to GNU social (aka statusnet)
# Erkan_Yilmaz so, the mf2 format is definitely smaller than mf
# Erkan_Yilmaz but I wonder how I do now the <a> tag ;-)
# Erkan_Yilmaz I see now: I'll do http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2#backward_compatible
# 
KevinMarks_ wait, we're a religion now? http://instagram.com/p/rQUhaRIOrQ/
# KevinMarks_ is there another meaning? http://pestagram.com/tag/microformats
# Erkan_Yilmaz so, changing the template to mf2 also seems to work: in this backward compatible style
# KartikPrabhu lol what! KevinMarks_ !
# Erkan_Yilmaz hm, not exactly, MW leaves out the u-url (it should be "u-url url")
# Erkan_Yilmaz but pin13 and php-mf2 show it correct
# KartikPrabhu they show it correctly because of the backwards compatible parsing. you don't need to put both the old syntax and new
# Erkan_Yilmaz ok, I was thinking of apps not yet supporting mf2
# KartikPrabhu what kind of apps are you thinking of that use microformats?
# Erkan_Yilmaz not updated ones :-)
# KartikPrabhu or even older syntax?
# Erkan_Yilmaz well, I was just thinking to be on the safe side, not that I know any parsers yet besides pin13 and php-mf2
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# KartikPrabhu Erkan_Yilmaz: No i mean, I don't think "apps" use microformat data at all yet
# Erkan_Yilmaz well, then they better should now that I enabled it
# KartikPrabhu Erkan_Yilmaz: which apps?
# Erkan_Yilmaz well, serach engines could use it
# KartikPrabhu yeah I guess search eingines are still parsing older syntax. I don't know if they do anything terribly useful with it other than some snippets
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