#microformats 2014-10-02

2014-10-02 UTC
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bret webkernel: yea
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webkernel ok, thanks
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bret channel is monitored too, so if nobody is around just hang out
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webkernel i am using this line of code in my wordpress article
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webkernel <time class="dt-published" datetime="2013-05-01 12:00:00">20 minutes ago</time>
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webkernel when I publish the article and then go back to the editor the code looses the tagging
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bret yikes
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webkernel it remains only 20 minutes ago
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webkernel is this normal?
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bret so wordpress is 'cleaning' your html?
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webkernel yes...and also tumblr
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bret even when you look at view source
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webkernel yes
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webkernel but only this time class
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bret tumblr definitely can take microformats
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webkernel the other code is ok
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bret never done it myself but seen it
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bret are you doing this i a post or the template level?
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webkernel if i create a html page in Komposer and publish in my website via ftp, all is ok
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bret so the word press publishing tools are stripping your html
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webkernel but only the time class
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bret not sure why
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webkernel it happens the same in tumblr
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bret webkernel: I would ask in #wordpress
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tantek time element
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tantek to be clear
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Loqi tantek: bret left you a message 1 hour, 55 minutes ago: Ok I added a parsed example here http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry I'll do the rest if that looks okay to everyone
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tantek it sounds like WordPress needs to be updated to support the new HTML5 elements
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bret ideally, you put the microformats in the template level
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GWG Did I hear someone say Wordpress and Microformats?
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webkernel yes :)
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webkernel http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress
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GWG What seems to be the problem?
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GWG OR question?
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GWG Query?
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GWG Etc?
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webkernel i am using time element within a post
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GWG Yes?
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webkernel after publishing the tag disappears
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tantek GWG, it appears something in WordPress is filtering out the <time> element
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tantek from that I would generalize to say that WordPress may be filtering out *all* new HTML5 elements, e.g. <article>, <aside>, <data> etc.
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webkernel no, not <article>
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webkernel only <time>
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webkernel i am testing with this example
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webkernel <article class="h-entry">
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webkernel <div class="e-content p-summary p-name">
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webkernel <p>Just writing a guide to using <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2">
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webkernel microformats-2</a></p>
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webkernel </div>
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webkernel <time class="dt-published" datetime="2013-05-01 12:00:00">20 minutes ago</time>
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tantek interesting, then perhaps WordPress may be filtering out all new elements in HTML5 *introduced in 2011-11-01 or later* like <time>, <data>, maybe some others
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webkernel </article>
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webkernel it happens in tumblr also
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tantek bret - re: JSON example in /h-entry - well done! yes feel free to do so to the other specs too!
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webkernel i am using sempress theme
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bret I think the side by side helps make the usecase/purpose much more clear
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GWG Why do you want the time element in the editor? That's usually put in by the theme?
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tantek bret - re: HTML+microformats and JSON? well - much more clear to *some* folks (programmer / parser types) - but certainly not majority (HTML coders / publishers)
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GWG This isn't Wordpress. This is TinyMCE I think
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webkernel I see....for that I need to know what to edit. I'll try to figure out!
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GWG Install the TinyMCE Advanced plugin and select the option to not filter HTML5 elements
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GWG webkernel: If you want the direct solution
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GWG But usually I put the post time/modified time automatically in the theme. I suppose you could have a time in the paost
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webkernel thanks! I'll do!
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GWG webkernel: Still curious...what were you trying to do?
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GWG What time was it?
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GWG Is there a URL?
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webkernel I was trying to test time element within the post as per an example I saw in microformats.org
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tantek makes sense
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tantek WordPress treats "inside the post" as somewhat from the core, somewhat from the theme, the template, and the user, right?
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webkernel http://paulospinto.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/1/
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KartikPrabhu from reading this question, Wordpress sounds like a shit-show wt HTML judas priest
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KartikPrabhu webkernel: just to be sure, is the whole time element removed or only datetime?
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webkernel the whole time element
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tantek KartikPrabhu: user-friendly CMS UI that can handle updates at various levels of "code" is a very difficult problem. I wouldn't begrudge the WP folks for where they have ended up. They've outlived a bunch of other solutions that were not as good.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: still if I enter something in HTML-editor mode I would expect it to stay there regardless
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KartikPrabhu maybe a trade-off to creating a one-size fits all solution
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KartikPrabhu webkernel: what if you put datetime in the ISO format as so: 2014-10-01T13:20:17-05:00 ?
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KartikPrabhu notice the "T" in there
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webkernel I think i've done that as well...let me check
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no need for the "T" in the HTML5 time element
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GWG tantek: Yes. It separates the layers
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I know, wondeirng if that is causing some filtering
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tantek the datetime attribute for <time> is a bit more user/author friendly than ISO8601
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it's not an HTML editor. It's a WYSIWYG editor that sort-of supports some HTML as an advanced escape hatch for those that "know what they're doing"
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KartikPrabhu hmm :(
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tantek kind of like a lot of Markdown variants
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tantek ;)
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KartikPrabhu always like a pure HTML mode, like Blogger had. But they did other horrible things so...
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GWG But, what you seem to be doing is putting in 20 minutes ago?
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GWG So you want relative as opposed to absolute time displayed in the theme then?
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GWG If you put the time code in the post editor, it will be absolute
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KartikPrabhu GWG: human readable relative time in text but absolute time in data elements sounds good to me
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webkernel i know.....
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webkernel it's absolute
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GWG webkernel: Just trying to understand.
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webkernel i am just making my first steps into microformats
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webkernel and i am testing
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webkernel this is not a real post :)
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GWG webkernel: SemPress uses mf2 markup though with time
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GWG But you can change the display to make the times show relatively while marked up absolutely.
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GWG There is even a plugin for it called relative date
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GWG Either way, if you are experimenting with markup manually, just use the Advanced settings I mentiond
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tantek makes some remark about minimizing use of "just", especially with reference to any "settings" ;)
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tantek or "simply" for that matter :)
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webkernel tinyMCE solves the problem
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GWG tantek: Merely install the plugin, which will allow you a settings interface for settings you yourself could set manually, but don't have to.
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GWG Why code when someone has?
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tantek lol: "merely"
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webkernel i've installed the plugin
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GWG pulls out thesaurus
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GWG Purely
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GWG Solely
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GWG KartikPrabhu: You don't do relative time on your site
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webkernel what is the advantage of using sempress? I still need to use microformats in my code, right?
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GWG webkernel: Sempress is the theme. You can always write your own, I did.
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GWG Sempress marks up the page for you
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GWG IT puts whatever you put in the post editor inside e-content
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GWG It adds the post metadata in the proper formatting
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webkernel cool
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GWG webkernel: You can always do your own code. I wrote my own Wordpress theme that has the microformats built in inside it, in thesame way Sempress does.
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webkernel for that I need to learn code.... I am making my first steps into the world of modified content...sorry :)
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webkernel may i say i'm a dumb?
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tantek no. but you may say you are learning :)
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GWG webkernel: Never say that.
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GWG There is always something new to learn
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GWG And tantek makes me feel like I should know more all the time.
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GWG But he's been doing this much longer than I have
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webkernel that's my intention....to learn. Stiff learning curve though
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tantek may we all never stop learning
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GWG tantek: That's the challenge
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webkernel yeap
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tantek and the opportunity :)
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GWG To learn and to share
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webkernel i'll begin with html i supose
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webkernel then CSS?
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webkernel javascript?
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GWG webkernel: What is your goal?
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webkernel blogging and be able to fine tuning my themes
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webkernel cross-posting
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webkernel indieweb
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webkernel that will be enough for now :)
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GWG webkernel: Do you want to use Wordpress or something else?
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GWG Cross-posting to where? You mean POSSE to Facebook/Twitter/etc?
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webkernel till today all my experience is with WP and also with tumblr (for some months), but always in a user level
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webkernel POSSE yes
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webkernel i'm using Bridgy with tumblr
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webkernel I have a hosting and a domain
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webkernel i can install other blog software if that is better for my learning process
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GWG webkernel: If you want to stick with Wordpress, you can install plugins to add Indieweb functionality, and customize for additional ones.
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GWG For example, the Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks plugins add those features to Wordpress pretty seamlessly.
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GWG My Semantic Comments plugin changes the presentation of comments on a Webmention site
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webkernel i think i'll stick with WP
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webkernel step-by-step i'll try to understand all those concepts like rel-syndication, webmention, etc.
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GWG IF you want to POSSE without Bridgy, try the Social Plugin or the Nextscript SNAP plugin
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GWG IF you want to add rel-syndication, you have jihaisse's Wordpress Syndication plugin or my Syndication Links plugin
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GWG IF you want to be able to set reply/like/favorite terms on posts that are in response to other posts, try the Indieweb Taxonomy plugin
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webkernel i've installe indieweb plugin right now and other recommended ones
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webkernel i'll go for social plugin
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GWG Different people have different preferences.
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GWG I didn't use the Wordpress Syndication plugin, and wrote my own, because I had different needs.
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GWG I suppose I could have contributed to jihaisse's plugin, but...
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webkernel i think Wordpress Syndication doesn't work with WP 4.0
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webkernel it runs only up to 3.7
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GWG Mine is still being developed.
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GWG I need to add an automatic content filter for people who don't want to code
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GWG And instructions
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GWG makes notes of things he should do
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webkernel :) great
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webkernel well.... it's very late now. I need to sleep. Tomorrow another working day!
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webkernel tks vy much for your help
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webkernel i'll be back :)
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GWG webkernel: That gives me till tomorrow to push that out in an update to the repository
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webkernel good night everyone! regards from Portugal
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Loqi buenas noches
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webkernel boa noite
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tantek GWG thanks and well done :)
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GWG tantek: I want to help
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KartikPrabhu GWG: yeah I don't like purely relative times. something like absolute-time (relative-time) might be better
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tantek I think aaronpk wrote a blog post about relative times
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KartikPrabhu yes ^
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KartikPrabhu http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2012/08/23/1/you-should-not-be-displaying-relative-dates
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webkernel hi..anyone knows why I can't create an app in twitter named NextScripts?
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webkernel twitter NextScripts is already taken for Name
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