#microformats 2015-02-24

2015-02-24 UTC
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@x2kmr @2k10x hCalendar (twitter.com/_/status/570105607769845761)
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@RAJENDRAINFO Medical reambrshmnt vil b continue Feb2015 last dt Next vil b forced Hcards as per GO159 dt 22 Dec 20 14 Plz alert (twitter.com/_/status/570275370424872960)
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kylewm loqi doesn't search for instances of "microformats" in tweets?
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kylewm e.g., https://twitter.com/jackschofield/status/570292624684425216
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@jackschofield @kevinmarks @davewiner Microformats work fine in plain text, don't they? Name: John Doe etc for a .vcf file. What am I missing? (twitter.com/_/status/570292624684425216)
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tantek kylewm: it used to until it was too noisy
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tantek and we turned off just "microformats"
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tantek there were too many misuses of it
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fiatjaf isn't h-recipe too much specific?
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fiatjaf http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-recipe
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tantek fiatjaf - could you rephrase your question as a positive?
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fiatjaf I don't know what you mean
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tantek Exactly, I don't know what you mean.
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fiatjaf really? you can't even imagine what I meant? or you just think my question was stupid?
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tantek questions of the form "isn't X bad?" make no sense
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tantek so instead
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tantek ask what you *want*
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fiatjaf sorry, you are right.
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fiatjaf I wanna know if it is one of the goals of microformats to have specific vocabularies for each kind of data that may exist in the internet (from blog posts to recipes), or if the goal is to have some general and more abstract vocabularies that could be reused in different contexts (like h-entry).
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tantek neither is a direct goal
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tantek in as much as principles are goals, captured here: http://microformats.org/wiki/principles
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tantek note also that goals like "specific vocabularies for each kind of data that may exist in the internet " is what has been referred to as boiling the ocean
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tantek "may exist" is so broad as to not be reasonably actionable
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fiatjaf yes, exactly
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tantek "abstract" is also not a goal, whereas *reuse* is
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tantek there's a big difference
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tantek see also architecture astronauts
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/architecture_astronomy
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fiatjaf but h-recipe is so specific that it made me think that reusability was not a goal, but that the standard would perhaps create new specific vocabularies for any kind of data that becomed popular as internet topics, like recipes and blog posts, but not "kinds of ants".
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tantek microformats are very real world examples research driven
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tantek it makes sense to focus on solving problems that show real world evidence of a need to be solved, rather than "any kind of data"