#microformats 2015-03-09

2015-03-09 UTC
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing (-22) "/* parsing an e- property */ updated link to serialising-html-fragments in HTML spec, ht: willnorris" (view diff)
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GWG There
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GWG Is there a class microformat for relme?
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@catab93 hCard Creator http://hcardcreator.com/articles/what-hcard-vcard-microformats (twitter.com/_/status/575008182302556160)
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GWG The problem is scope. Rel values, I was advised over the weekend, are page level. Which explains u-syndication vs rel-syndication. So, is there a u-me?
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tantek GWG, your analysis is correct
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Loqi tantek: elf-pavlik left you a message on 3/5 at 3:17pm: it looks like u-* doesn't imply URL http://microformats.org/wiki/uid-brainstorming#SHOULD_rather_than_MUST
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tantek there is no u-me because there hasn't been a use-case for it
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tantek for "other profiles" URLs, we just use u-url in an h-card, e.g. see my home page tantek.com
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GWG tantek: I have one.
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elf-pavlik tantek, thx!
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GWG The partial hcard issue
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elf-pavlik please also check your messages on #social (W3C)
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tantek elf-pavlik: u- does imply URL, as *should* does imply
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tantek it implies, but does not *require*, that's the key
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GWG Where you want to link to more me data.
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tantek and in practice, yes, all u- properties are used as URLs
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tantek GWG, you could make your canonical h-card on that page instead
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tantek e.g. some do this with /about pages
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GWG Agreed, but many don't.
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tantek elf-pavlik: will do - I typically only check #social on weekdays. Weekends I focus on implementing, whereas typical chatter on #social is not about implementing but more theoretical.
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tantek or meta for that matter
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GWG Also, a u-me might be used for multi author scenarios, which is a problem of mine.
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elf-pavlik tantek, roger! but today many(most) people following gregorian calendar consider a weekday :)
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tantek elf-pavlik: yes, my reference to "weekday" is Gregorian weeks implied
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elf-pavlik inference++ ;)
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tantek it will take a while longer to first transition folks to ordinal days, which I think is necessary before we can transition to new weeks
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tantek GWG - I disagree about u-me for multi-author scenarios - could you document multi-author use-case more?
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tantek GWG, perhaps start with writing something up here? http://microformats.org/wiki/multi-author
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elf-pavlik tantek, maybe worth using RFC2119 key words in http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#microformats2_design ?
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GWG tantek: And for expanded hcard links? Do you disagree as well?
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tantek elf-pavlik: good suggestion, can you add a new issue to http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-issues to "Normatively reference RFC2119 in microformats2 specs" ?
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tantek GWG, what is an expanded hCard? Can you rephrase that as a *user* feature, without mentioning specific formats / plumbing?
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GWG More fields
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tantek GWG, can you actually *name* the overall user feature you are talking about?
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tantek without mentioning specific formats / plumbing?
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elf pavlik edited /microformats2-issues (+127) "Normatively reference RFC2119 in microformats2 specs" (view diff)
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tommorris tantek: I’m working on a personal side project (other than tommorris.org). and there’s microformats2 all over the place: h-card, h-calendar. maybe some h-atom soon too.
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tantek neat! and by h-atom I assume you mean h-feed :)
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tommorris h-entry. and possibly h-review.
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tantek similarly, by h-calendar you mean a bunch of h-event ? or did you find a use-case for a calendar level clustering of h-event ?
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tommorris No, nothing yet.
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tantek that sounds like a great real world case study
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tantek ok cool
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GWG tantek: Will elaborate shortly.
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tantek cue the trumpets! :)
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GWG tantek: There are trumpets?
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tantek it's what I hear in my mind when someone says "I am about to …" or equivalent "Will … shortly" ;)
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tantek like a herald
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tantek as in: INTRODUCING, THE ELABORATION :)
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GWG tantek: I got called away
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tantek it happens
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GWG The feature would be the ability to specify what I wanted to convey as a basic h-card vs a more expanded version I had available. To use a communications example, let's say one address wasn't my preferred method of communication, but an available one, I wouldn't want that in my minimal h-card, but it might be in the expanded one
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tantek GWG, please try again without mentioning jargon/format/plumbing (h-card)
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tantek (as requested earlier in IRC).
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GWG Okay. On a display level, I want to show what I consider minimal on my site indicating that is what I want other sites/people to know primarily, but with the option to see me.
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GWG more.
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tantek great! there are multiple ways of doing that - do you want to reveal more on the same page? or do you want to show a completely different page with more information?
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GWG I prefer a different page.
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GWG But I don't want to give people out a subpage as my primary identity page.
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tantek what would you call that different page - to someone you were describing it to?
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GWG It depends whether I was using an analogy or a definition
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GWG Probably a bio.
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GWG Or About, which is popular.
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tantek interesting. would you then host such a page at /about or /bio ?
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tantek I'm asking about what sounds right to you for your site and your specific intended use-case, rather than what's popular.
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GWG Also quite possible.
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tantek Though re-using what others have done is often a wise choice.
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GWG I'd probably end up using about.
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GWG Bio sounds too formal
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tantek GWG: this sounds like a very good start of thoughts to capture from a user-centric perspective
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GWG I always had trouble figuring out how to do so in a universal manner.
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GWG Where is an ideal place to document same?
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tantek GWG, I just created a stub for you to start capturing some of these insights: http://microformats.org/wiki/about-page
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GWG I'm trying to remember if I created a login for that wiki
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dshanske edited /about-page (+445) (view diff)
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GWG tantek: If you want me to comment in multi-author...I don't have page creation permissions
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tantek I can help with that
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GWG I thought you might be an admin