#microformats 2015-04-21

2015-04-21 UTC
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@TechWars_io We compared #hcard vs #vcard - see results: http://www.techwars.io/fight/hcard/vcard/ (twitter.com/_/status/590518823385698304)
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@t @nialljthompson @Malarkey @westleyknight @KevinMarks schema-org is overly complex, more effort. #microformats2 simpler (ttk.me t4am3) (twitter.com/_/status/590594063839207424)
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tantek edited /rdfa (+47) "superseded by microformats2" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats2 (+106) "replaces and supersedes" (view diff)
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tantek KevinMarks (and others), do we need to define classic microformats?
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aaronpk or "legacy" microformats?
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tantek well they still work / supported by Google so they're not quite legacy (yet)
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aaronpk true
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tantek that is, until we know for sure that Google supports *both* classic microformats and microformats2, better to keep advising using both as needed
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tantek I'm sending folks here http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 to get started on microformats2
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aaronpk i've noticed google is starting to parse more plain HTML
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aaronpk this is an interesting example, they found the <ul> and also found the <strong> sentence within each <li> https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+become+financially+independent
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@t @nialljthompson no problem. Here's a good start: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 http://microformats.org/2014/03/05/getting-started-with-microformats2 (ttk.me t4am4) (twitter.com/_/status/590600679556833282)
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aaronpk oh hey barnaby already referred to it as "classic microformats" in that article
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tantek that's a good sign that google is parsing more plain HTML
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tantek that means they are likely doing some statistical analysis
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tantek which mean as soon as microformats2 publishing / adoption crosses that threshold (whatever it is), they'll parse that too
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tantek (they may already be parsing it but not saying anything)
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KevinMarks_ they have internal tools that do ptatern recognition within sites
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KevinMarks_ effectively reverse engineering out the templates
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KevinMarks_ so those could find mf2
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KevinMarks_ maybe they apply across sites too
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KevinMarks_ I bet knowing bootstraps idioms would get them a lot of structure
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KevinMarks_ Classic Microformats implies mf2 is New Coke
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tantek KevinMarks: I don't think today's webdevs remember / know the reference
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tantek that whole thing was a way to transition to cornsyrup wasn't it?
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KevinMarks_ it's the canonical marketing case study that everyone refers to
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KevinMarks_ they did blind user AB testing and found people preferred the sweeter version
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KevinMarks_ but in fact they were attached to the nostalgia of the flavour in isolation
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tantek KevinMarks: I don't think webdevs read marketing case studies ;)
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KevinMarks_ hm, I hadn't thought about ti, but feedparser has a very thorough hcard to vcard implementation with tests in
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KevinMarks_ I should strip that out
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tantek into something separable?
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tantek like a Python h(-)card to vcard converter?
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KevinMarks_ yes
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KevinMarks_ because having one in a feed parser is quixotic at best
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KevinMarks_ but Mark made great tests
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tantek makes sense
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tantek a separate library would be very cool
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