#microformats 2015-05-20

2015-05-20 UTC
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@suginoy “MicroformatsとMicrodataの違いについて｜Web Design KOJIKA17” http://kojika17.com/2010/12/differences-microformats-and-microdata.html (twitter.com/_/status/600824278251020289)
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@suginoy “マイクロフォーマット(microformats) vs. マイクロデータ(microdata) - 檜山正幸のキマイラ飼育記” http://d.hatena.ne.jp/m-hiyama/20100412/1271032800 (twitter.com/_/status/600825086753378304)
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@Cipherhouse @JohnRingwould that file is for vcf microformats this e‘er for #ContactMe (twitter.com/_/status/600845871069024256)
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@ShayOlivarria LOS ANGELES 5/23 CA African American Museum hosts a FREE day of literacy events!... http://www.caamuseum.org/hcalendar/index.php?eID=5992 (twitter.com/_/status/600848116900827137)
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@fehler @shiflett It must speak volumes about me that I enjoyed reading this – http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry – after seeing this tweet. Hope all’s well! (twitter.com/_/status/600957500268158976)
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@SmmMark @Boostability read this: http://3dwebdesign.org/microformats-and-microdata - #microdata works only for recipes (twitter.com/_/status/601023082359300096)
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@PikBadaluk1 Existing (link) @rel values - http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values (twitter.com/_/status/601078643700453377)
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cweiske Hi. I'd like to mark up my blog's index page with h-feed. Is it possible to simply add >class="h-entry u-url"< to the links? http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/
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cweiske or is u-url not necessary at all if it's an <a> tag anyway?
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tantek unnecessary and actually incorrect too - as that u-url would apply to its parent h-* object
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aaronpk whoa, how does <a href="" class=
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk how does <a href="" class="h-entry"> know to get the url property from the href?
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aaronpk i was surprised that it worked
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cweiske ok, done. so now the question is if readers can cope with such thin data and fetch the missing data from the detail page
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cweiske aaronpk, does monocle do this?
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tantek aaronpk - see implied URL
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tantek in microformats2-parsing
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tantek cweiske: did you check the JSON output from a microformats2 parser to see what it finds?
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aaronpk cweiske: monocle actually *only* gets data from the permalink
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aaronpk i actually need to update it to first use data in the h-feed and enhance with data it finds on the permalink
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cweiske https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcweiske.de%2Ftagebuch%2F
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cweiske doesn't look that bad
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aaronpk also monocle won't do anything beyond the first fetch unless you support PuSH ;)
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aaronpk hey that's a pretty good minimal h-feed
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cweiske guess what I do
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cweiske wtf
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cweiske PubSubHubbub
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cweiske No PuSH hub was found
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aaronpk :/
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cweiske ah. only the atom feeds are push-enabled by my config
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cweiske my bad. all files are push-enabled
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cweiske but aaronpk, the initial fetch did not seem to fetch details. I don't see any articles in monocle
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aaronpk checks logs
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aaronpk oh dang
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aaronpk it's failing because there is no author :/
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aaronpk that's my fault, i should let it insert it anyway
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tantek aaronpk: indeed - especially since you retrieve the info from the permalink anyway, that should include author info
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cweiske ok, hub is enabled
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aaronpk there it goes
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cweiske ah. nice
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aaronpk hm it's failing on some with spaces in the name
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aaronpk s/name/url
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: hm it's failing on some with spaces in the url
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cweiske :)
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cweiske I see many 404s for files with spaces in the name
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aaronpk how's that happening?
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cweiske you have bugs in your code :)
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cweiske I switched to urls without spaces because many clients have issues with it
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cweiske my awstats pags still have thousands of 404 for partial urls with spaces
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aaronpk the parsed version of this has a bunch of URLs with spaces... http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcweiske.de%2Ftagebuch%2F
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aaronpk should the parser be converting those to %20?
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cweiske sure. the urls actually *have* spaces
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aaronpk urls can't have spaces
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tantek depends where
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tantek resists getting out The URL Diagram™ again ;)
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aaronpk href attributes can have spaces
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aaronpk is that something the php-mf2 parser should be handling?
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cweiske I'd say yes
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tantek is there a test cse that fails?
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aaronpk if there isn't yet there certaily should be
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aaronpk i think it *has* to be done by the mf2 parser, because i can't just add a urlescape function in my code that consumes the parsed result, otherwise it'll way overescape things
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tantek sure, just like &amp; in a URL in an href is handled by the HTML5/mf2 parser
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tantek we just need some test cases :)
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aaronpk i think glennjones was working on that? :)
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tantek he's working on *updating* his existing test cases
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tantek if you want specific new ones, say because you want parsers to handle spaces in URLs, the burden of work is on you to provide them
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cweiske apache conf for adding a hub link: Header append Link '<http://phubb.cweiske.de/hub.php>; rel="hub"'
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cweiske now I have to get microformats parsers to use my favicon as author icon
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cweiske which they don't, since it's not linked anywhere
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