#microformats 2015-06-20

2015-06-20 UTC
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tommorris suggesting that mf2py signs the Contributor Covenant, which is basically a code-of-conduct but for OSS. thoughts welcome. https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/issues/47
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DanC_ Ugh! all these music metadata formats are such a pain! where is hAudio support?!?!?!
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tantek DanC - hAudio was overdone and too complex itself - it itself was too much of a pain for publishers like last.fm
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DanC_ yeah; the complexity tar pit is pretty tough to avoid
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DanC_ but you'd think some tools would grok CSV anyway
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DanC_ I suppose m3u is a degenerate CSV
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tantek the complexity tar pit is so hard to avoid that rare are the simple solutions
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DanC_ wishes for a time machine to go back to when CDs were invented and get UUIDs on every disc and every track
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DanC_ disc release, that is
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tantek heh
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DanC_ I'm working on an app to make old iTunes playlists handy on mobile etc. current strategy is via google music
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DanC_ I've got a web interface to my iTunes data
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DanC_ I started it in python; parts of it are migrating to javascript. I should probably just build the whole thing in javascript
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DanC_ javascript with flow and flycheck mode rocks
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tantek DanC, you might find that KevinMarks is also interested in making old iTunes playlists portable
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tantek and he likes python too :)
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DanC_ fwiw: https://bitbucket.org/DanC/palmagent/src/tip/jukekb/?at=default
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DanC_ README needs work
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aaronpk why can an h-card have street-address, locality, region, etc on it when it might also have an embedded h-adr that could have the same properties?
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tantek aaronpk - other way around
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tantek because the common case is that an h-card has *one* (at most) address information, it was flattened
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tantek the more common case was made easier
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tantek flatter is better
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DanC_ it's better for the author, who gets priority. it's harder for the parser, who now has 2 places to look
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tantek it's choosing to allow a more limited but simpler model for the *common* case, rather than making the common case complex for the sake of "consistency" with the complex case.
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aaronpk luckily in my case I am both the publisher and consumer since i'm using this as an internal storage mechanism :)
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tantek usually devs/programmers make the opposite decision, that is, they argue all about all the complex/edge cases, and expand/distort/generalize their solution until it covers both common cases and all those edge cases, typically resulting in something incredibly unnecessarily complex for the common case
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DanC_ yup
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tantek and when asked why, the answer is always, because you might want to x (edge case / complex case)
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aaronpk interestingly, this means that if I know the "location" property is either an h-card or an h-adr, I know I can always find a property called "locality" there
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tantek correct
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tantek the interesting side effect is that for common consuming code cases, things get simplified too
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aaronpk which actually then results in simpler consuming code
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DanC_ if I had a nickel for every piece of open source software that said "you can configure it to do anything you want!" before explaining how to do the 3 most typical things...
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tantek :)
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aaronpk DanC_: lol yeah. at this point when i hear "it can do everything" I interpret that as "it doesn't actually do anything without a lot of extra work"
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DanC_ look at this pile of silicon! you can fabricate it into chips that can compute anything you want!
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DanC_ ;-)
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aaronpk i wish that was not such a sarcastic reply because i would use that all the time
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tantek I kind of want to carry a small packet of sand to hand to people
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aaronpk oh jeez
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KevinMarks_ Hashing CD into unique id is gracenote's model
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Loqi KevinMarks_: kylewm left you a message on 6/16 at 9:20pm: is there a reason the spec only makes urls absolute in the top half of this list? http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_a_u-_property
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Loqi KevinMarks_: kylewm left you a message 2 days, 12 hours ago: nm I found the FAQ answer http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-faq#normalizing_u-.2A_property_values
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DanC_ woot! after chasing metadata rabbits down irrelevant holes for several days, I got my first practical use case working.
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Loqi giggles
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DanC_ I guess cddb and freedb didn't hash the whole contents of the CD cuz they wanted to show metadata right when you insert the CD
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DanC_ playlist BBF10DBC3BA3520D from a road trip in Aug 2005 is now available via google music. Except for the 1st two songs which are trapped by DRM
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tantek neat DanC! nice hearing about your progress.
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DanC_ hmm... google music matched one of these songs with a remix. :-/
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DanC_ maybe not...
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DanC_ yup. definitely.
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DanC_ hmm... recognition that songs are already uploaded isn't working as well as I'd like.
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DanC_ I didn't parallelize this for instant gratification... it's uploading all the songs in a playlist, then creating the playlist, then adding them.
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DanC_ I think I miss-tagged some of my tracks and it's throwing google music off. I'm wiping all the tags. Whee!
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DanC_ quodlibet is quite nice
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DanC_ now to reload from old iTunes metadata...
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DanC_ ok... my quodlibet plugin to restore tags from iTunes works. fun fun!
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DanC_ 77bc33f27bf9 tip
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DanC_ make ituneslib.fixit into a working quodlibet plugin
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DanC_ finds an inventory of 83 CDs with barcodes in mail from 2008
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DanC_ grr... the blog is down. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/228
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DanC_ "Unable to connect to database server"
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DanC_ verifies that he has an export of his work there...
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DanC_ interesting... my backup is evidently python pickles of XMLRPC responses from the API of that CMS (drupal?)
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DanC_ >>> x['dateCreated']
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DanC_ <DateTime '20080306T17:00:05' at 7f20e8aef5f0>
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DanC_ >>> x['dateCreated'].__class__
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DanC_ <class xmlrpclib.DateTime at 0x7f20e444eef0>
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DanC_ this is good motivation to migrate those to madmode.com ... but my closet librarian budget is already exhausted
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