#microformats 2015-07-06
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@ftrain if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/617855396687032320)
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@blairaltland RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/617856016164610049)
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@kevinmarks RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/617877898490347520)
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@pcosdeaf RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/617880208348057600)
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@joshuajuran RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/617883410615402496)
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@Suw RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/617883572100329472)
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@lojytan_bot RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/617883891228016640)
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# @kevinmarks @ftrain json-ld is actually an anagram of lojban (twitter.com/_/status/617878073191456768)
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@sarahbadr RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/618032173338263552)
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@neogeografen Har bidraget/skrevet om Parforcelandskabet DKs nye verdenskulturarvs sted http://www.microformats.dk/2015/07/06/tag-pa-en-virtuel-tur-i-parforcelandskabet-i-nordsjaelland/ hjælp til også selv #dkkultur #mapillary (twitter.com/_/status/618039155730325504)
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csarven !tell tantek h-cite is a clear violation of the mf process. 1. Since when IWC handling the mf process? 2. it is an *over* simplification of citation-* (if anyone wants to call it that) - erring on the side that previous work is thrown out 3. There is hardly an argument under "Previous Proposals"
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# csarven The use of -x- in mf2 ( http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#VENDOR_EXTENSIONS ) seems more like its actual origins are from http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648 .. Funny that.
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't think so, that RFC even says that -x- is used by many protocol designers as a flag for unstandardized options
# ben_thatmustbeme so the use of -x- predates it
# csarven Well, 6648 explains why it is not a good idea.
# csarven See also https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3406.txt
# ben_thatmustbeme when you look at it as -x-somevalue will still get mixed up with someone else's -x-somevalue implementation i can see why it would be argued it doesn't make sense. vendor prefixes are a better way to go
# ben_thatmustbeme sees URN and just stops reading
# csarven URNs all the way down ;P
# csarven Personally, I don't like the idea of using -x- in my HTML because I don't want to maintain that whatsoever.
# ben_thatmustbeme well any time you use a vendor prefix its the same thing, you'll still want to update it if/when it standardizes
# csarven Do you mean vendor prefix in HTML?
# ben_thatmustbeme in your mf2 classes
# csarven Are people using vendor prefixes in the HTML/mf2?
# csarven s/the/their
# ben_thatmustbeme http://aaronparecki.com/metrics class="p-p3k-drink" , also p-p3k-food
# csarven Oh my
# csarven Let me get this right.. That is somehow significantly better than actual namespaces + following a single rule to crawl the graph (e.g., like in RDF) which is actually machine-friendly?
# csarven Is -x- or -p3k- documented / defined somewhere where it can be picked up by a machine consistently?
# csarven And like you said, regarding using the same term to mean different things under different domains or in documents.
# csarven As a developer, I would simply use p-isbn instead of bothering with p-x-isbn or p-csarven-isbn
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# ben_thatmustbeme you are certainly able to use p-isbn. nothing stops you, its just a matter of knowing that it will be the same on all other implementations of p-isbn
# ben_thatmustbeme and its not like p-x-isbn is difficult to update to p-isbn if/when it does get standardized. Find and replace in code is a pretty basic operation
# ben_thatmustbeme plus they are machine readable by way of mf2 parsing algo,
# ben_thatmustbeme its not like its some special rules for fetching these values, they are still the exact same
# ben_thatmustbeme -x- is specifically for things you want to get standardized, proposing / experimenting with. vendor prefix is when you don't expect / plan to standardize
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# ben_thatmustbeme guess i'll wait until csarven comes back to finish that thought
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Loqi tantek: csarven left you a message on 7/3 at 1:08pm: http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/ -- supports some mf. Probably only mf1 these days
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# Loqi tantek: csarven left you a message 2 days, 1 hour ago: tommorris microformatsMysteryAdmin et al. I have found my old backups with the microformats wiki password, and it worked. Thank you all for your support and attentiveness. We can go on for another two years or so without having to fix the password recovery issue.
# Loqi tantek: csarven left you a message 1 hour, 23 minutes ago: h-cite is a clear violation of the mf process. 1. Since when IWC handling the mf process? 2. it is an *over* simplification of citation-* (if anyone wants to call it that) - erring on the side that previous work is thrown out 3. There is hardly an argument under "Previous Proposals"
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# ben_thatmustbeme good morning tantek
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kylewm hey, a post in multiple languages in the wild http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/07/06/meanwhile-in-a-parallel-universe/
# ben_thatmustbeme huh, cool... didn't require anything extra to do :P
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KevinMarks with empty alt and no lang markers :(
# ben_thatmustbeme seems like it
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# KevinMarks right, which is google's encouraged worldview
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@kim_bach Søren er en enmands @mapillary hær! Tag pÃ¥ en virtuel tur i Parforcelandskabet i Nordsjælland http://www.microformats.dk/2015/07/06/tag-pa-en-virtuel-tur-i-parforcelandskabet-i-nordsjaelland/ (twitter.com/_/status/618163221141286912)
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@cizyprijev RT @ftrain: if we all spoke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban then it's entirely possible we could eliminate microformats https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/617855396687032320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/618163938501492736)
# ben_thatmustbeme espiranto like language
# ben_thatmustbeme apparently
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