#microformats 2015-07-23

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@johnholtripley What's the feeling on Microformats these days? Is http://Schema.org vocabulary being used more instead? (twitter.com/_/status/624215141408751616)
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aaronpk for anyone following along with the PHP parser, I just re-opened this issue with a failing test added https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/70
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voxpelli edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+1551) "add brainstorm about parsing language of content" (view diff)
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voxpelli edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+108) "change language example to include actual real swedish and english" (view diff)
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voxpelli edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+36) "based on feedback, added some html to the e-* properties of the language example" (view diff)
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voxpelli edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+127) "add link to experimental microformat-node implementation of language parsing" (view diff)
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aaronpk is it worth adding some of my own german posts to the language brainstorming page even if I don't mark them up explicitly?
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aaronpk at least as an example of a multi-language site?
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voxpelli aaronpk: absolutely
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ben_thatmustbeme went through multi-language in socialWG telcon, the danger is there is a deep rabbit whole you can go down as far as lang. voxpelli's method seems pretty simple though, but doesn't really work very well when you recognize it requires multiple h-entries for one post when you can just do with with html inside the e-content
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ben_thatmustbeme s/whole/hole
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: went through multi-language in socialWG telcon, the danger is there is a deep rabbit hole you can go down as far as lang. voxpelli's method seems pretty simple though, but doesn't really work very well when you recognize it requires multiple h-entries for one post when you can just do with with html inside the e-content
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KevinMarks ben_thatmustbeme: that was my concern, looking at steph's posts - any element can have a long on it wihtout necessarily a class
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: no it doesn't require multiple h-entries for a post
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: you are correct, that was in the context of posting the same content twice and if you put the lang on the h-entry
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ben_thatmustbeme once for each language
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voxpelli from a consumer perspective it's easy to know how to handle a "lang" at h-* level – just ignore the whole thing if the language is undesireable – but for individual properties it is harder
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aaronpk it's not that much harder for properties, and encourages better consuming code
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aaronpk basically you'd define a function "get_value" which works like this: if(is_string(property)) return property else if(is_object(property)) return property.value
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voxpelli one can't really ignore individual properties easily I think – in the browser everything is visible
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voxpelli I don't mean technically, I mean content wise :)
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voxpelli KevinMarks has an example of marking up a quote that's in eg. french as being so even if the rest of the post is in english – ignoring that quote because you don't understand english leaves you with a partial presentation – and rarely would you add both a fench and an english version of the quote to your html
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aaronpk oh gotcha
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aaronpk maybe that's not a good use of the lang attribute then?
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voxpelli well, depends – if you want to have a speech syntehizer read it or do some analysis of the text in some other way then it's very useful
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aaronpk hmm
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KevinMarks well, you might have both if you were talking about translation
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KevinMarks the case I think is most interesting is the summary in one language of the post in another
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KevinMarks which is a fairly common thing
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KevinMarks this one that just came through is an example: http://notizblog.org/2015/07/23/interview-mit-aaron-parecki/
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KevinMarks you could wrap the 1st 2 paras in <div class="e-summary" lang="de"
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voxpelli yeah, that would be pretty neat
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KevinMarks google's weird lingusitic segregation policies discourage this
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KevinMarks most Europeans are polyglots, many americans are, but they pander to the monoglots
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@Lockedown_ Metadata, Part 2: Microformats http://www.lockedowndesign.com/metadata-microformats/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost (twitter.com/_/status/624325342908395521)
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tantek campaign=ReviveOldPost seriously?!?
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KevinMarks the post doesn't look that old though
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KevinMarks "the online hCalendar generator only goes up to the year 2013" LOL
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KevinMarks ReviveOldMicroformatsTools
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tantek wow totally missed that
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tantek patches accepted? ;)
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KevinMarks switch to input type="date" ?
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KevinMarks or is that still crap on safari?
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tantek not just Safari :(
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KevinMarks on chrome android you get the nice date picker
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KevinMarks the iOS one is OK too
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KevinMarks there's a use case for a web component - indie date/time picker
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