#microformats 2016-04-01

2016-04-01 UTC
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omarhuanca Hello
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omarhuanca I again try use microformat for start_time, end_time items into list: for example.
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omarhuanca <ul> <li startTime1="" endTime1=""> sentence1</li> <li startTime2="" endTime2=""> sentence2</li> <li startTime3="" endTime3=""> sentence3</li> </ul>
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omarhuanca I'm sorry for ask again about this
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Zegnat omarhuanca: I don’t think I have ever seen anyone do something like that. Do you have to use HTML? Would it not make mor sense to use a subtitle/captioning format like WebVVT?
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omarhuanca uff
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omarhuanca maybe xoxo for this items
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omarhuanca or try represent with hevent
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omarhuanca Zegnat, question. Can add micrformat for startTime, endTime into list
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Zegnat There are dt-start and dt-end classes, but I am not sure how you would be adding them and no parser is going to understand them outside an h-event
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Zegnat Also note that dt-* microformats expect valid HTML datetime strings, and I am not sure relative timestamps like you would use for lyrics are allowed
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omarhuanca I has just time, no datetime
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omarhuanca I have more this tags: <div><ul> <li startTime1="x" endTime1="y"> sentence1</li></ul> <li startTime2="x" endTime2="y"> sentence2</li></div>
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Zegnat Other than making every item an event with a start and end time (those still need to be datetime strings) I don’t think there are any existing microformats for you. You will have to invent your own.
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omarhuanca question, how I implement a microformat
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omarhuanca or custom hevent
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omarhuanca this list is items on karaoke
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Zegnat omarhuanca: http://microformats.org/wiki/process - developing a new microformat/vocabulary. Though personally I am still not sure why a karaoke lyrics needs a microformat. Why not just do what you are doing now?
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aaronpk omarhuanca: I would recommend reading this excellent introduction to microformats http://microformats.org/2014/03/05/getting-started-with-microformats2
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omarhuanca o can use list: <div><ol> <li startTime1="x" endTime1="y"> sentence1</li></ul> <li startTime2="x" endTime2="y"> sentence2</li> </ol> </div>
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Zegnat <ol><li data-startTime="00:00" data-endTime="00:05">Blabla</li><li data-startTime="00:07" data-endTime="00:09">Blabla</li></ol>
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Zegnat Would be totally valid, easy to read, easy to parse, and you could even use CSS to display the start and end times.
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omarhuanca yeah, but mi project manager suggestion add microformat for after use another site
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omarhuanca because, I think use microformats
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omarhuanca thanks for your time about this
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Zegnat But no microformat exists. And you inventing one does not make it any easier for sites so parse, I think…
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omarhuanca you have a example how implement this
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Zegnat What would you like to implement?
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Zegnat Just HTML: <ol><li data-startTime="00:00" data-endTime="00:05">Blabla</li><li data-startTime="00:07" data-endTime="00:09">Blabla</li></ol>
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omarhuanca nop, custom microformat about this html
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omarhuanca <ol><li data-startTime="00:00" data-endTime="00:05">Blabla</li><li data-startTime="00:07" data-endTime="00:09">Blabla</li></ol>
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omarhuanca <ol><li data-startTime="00:00" data-endTime="00:05">Blabla</li><li data-startTime="00:07" data-endTime="00:09">Blabla</li> ....... </ol>
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Zegnat I don’t understand what you are asking … That is just valid HTML you can use, keep adding LI elements for every line. (Not a microformat, just parsable HTML, if you want a microformat you will need to invent it yourself.)
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Zegnat omarhuanca: https://jsfiddle.net/sxyyLqg4/
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Zegnat I hope that makes it clear what I meant
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Zegnat If you are still thinking about extending microformats, I always thought this was a good read: http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/extensibility
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omarhuanca your example about list is clear.
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@patlockley @urbaneprofessor @philbarker added social media sharing and social media headers. Assumed useful. Also neatened microformats (twitter.com/_/status/715927339591462912)
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tantek interesting
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tantek omarhuanca: still around? just saw your question about start and end times - is this for events?
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omarhuanca I have a translation dialog like write Zegnat: https://jsfiddle.net/sxyyLqg4/
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omarhuanca my project manager say, add a microformat, because don't exist I need implement
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Zegnat http://microformats.org/wiki/chat-brainstorming would probably be the closest discussed format, but as omarhuanca seems to have karaoke lyrics and needs start and end timings for the lines it is a bit hard. If you have any idea of prior discussions, tantek, much apprciated.
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Zegnat s/apprciated/appreciated
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Loqi Zegnat meant to say: http://microformats.org/wiki/chat-brainstorming would probably be the closest discussed format, but as omarhuanca seems to have karaoke lyrics and needs start and end timings for the lines it is a bit hard. If you have any idea of prior discussions, tantek, much appreciated.
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tantek omarhuanca: interesting - I think there's been some more work since chat-brainstorming - take a look at the markup in the #indiewebcamp logs: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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tantek kylewm: when you have a moment, let's try to converge our latest proposed resolutions for http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#implied_properties_when_an_explicit_class_is_provided so we can come to a consensus and start fixing parsers to reduce bad auto p-names
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kylewm Sure tantek. Going to be a while before I'm back on a real computer, but I am open to feedback on my proposal
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tantek I guess I'm trying to understand the difference between your proposal and my proposal right before it
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kylewm I was specifically talking about implied URL only... bc that is the problem case and it has fewer edge cases than the generalized rule
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tantek I thought the implied p-name got the most false positives
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tantek (problem case)
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tantek or are you wanting to make these separate issues?
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KevinMarks implied p-name is problematic for other reasons (whitespace)
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tantek that's not the problem
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tantek the problem is that implied p-name was designed to help consuming code
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tantek if consuming code is actively taking steps to detect / avoid it - then it's causing more trouble than it is helping
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tantek thus we need to refine it to the point where consuming code feels like it can "trust" it
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tantek kylewm, KevinMarks that issue and the over-implied p-name problem is making me wonder if we should do another microformats dev meetup for this year to crank through all the microformats2-parsing-issues
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-issues (+680) "/* implied properties when an explicit class is provided */ broaden scope of issue in initial description, follow-up to kylewm's points with more details" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: tried to follow-up a bit on your proposal http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#implied_properties_when_an_explicit_class_is_provided - whenever you get to it is fine - totally not urgent (i.e later next week totally ok)
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-issues (+60) "/* implied properties when an explicit class is provided */ cite bridgy p-name" (view diff)