#microformats 2017-01-19

2017-01-19 UTC
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@sneersternway1 Microformats: Empowering Your Markup for Web 2.0 by John Allsopp https://www.bittopper.com/item/82995851decb8bce65f154869d379ba4a3d79/ (twitter.com/_/status/822022113297137664)
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@sewBantu #tbt #prints #experiments #microformats #patterns… https://www.instagram.com/p/BPcSvi3juT0WI0uoep1XRUSXTMX1dzgnNGiAc80/ (twitter.com/_/status/822023218366152704)
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@heikopaulheim New #webdatacommons release - 44.2B quads (#microdata #microformats #jsonld #rdfa) extracted from 3.2B web pages! http://dws.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/en/news/singleview/detail/News/442-billion-quads-microdata-embedded-json-ld-rdfa-and-microformat-data-published/ (twitter.com/_/status/822024559805296640)
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aaronpk How do I know if an h-card represents a person or a venue?
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pfefferle aaronpk good question... my initial answer would be, to use h-adr... but the spec recommends to use h-card if it is a venue...
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aaronpk i thought i'd also heard something about venues/businesses would have a p-org property, but then I re-read it and p-org is also for "affiliated organization" so like where a person works
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aaronpk haha whoa, I just found http://microformats.org/category/this-week ! Never realized that was there when I set up https://indieweb.org/this-week
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Loqi awesome
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pfefferle but the mf one was done by hand
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aaronpk which is likely why it hasn't been updated in ... 7 years
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pfefferle ;)
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pfefferle perhaps we should rethink the h-adr and add the p-name to support venues
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pfefferle aaronpk do you ask because of an xray implementation?
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aaronpk it will likely affect xray, but right now i'm thinking about checkins
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aaronpk and storing my own venues
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aaronpk i'm not sure i like it, but if p-name == p-org then it's likely a venue and not a person
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pfefferle what about h-entry p-location http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Proposed_Additions
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H...
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aaronpk people can have locations too
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pfefferle yes, but then it is no checkin ;)
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aaronpk no this is just about h-card, not h-entry
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pfefferle but thats how it is proposed in the wiki
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pfefferle if the p-location is also an embedded h-card, the entry is treated as a "checkin".
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aaronpk forget checkins
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aaronpk i'm just talking about h-card
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aaronpk given an h-card, how do I know it's a venue or a person?
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pfefferle if an hcard has a p-location it is a checkin, if it has a p-adr it is an address
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aaronpk h-cards aren't checkins evert
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aaronpk h-entry might be a checkin
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pfefferle wrong wording if it has a location it is temporary and if it has an address it is permanently
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Zegnat aaronpk, I think most vcard implementations go by the "no name fiels, filled organisation field" to mark a card as a venue
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aaronpk Zegnat: good point. that's what I do when I add businesses to my phone's address book
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aaronpk sadly there is not a "no name" option in microformats
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Zegnat If implied name === p-organisation => venue ?
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pfefferle aaronpk do you want to know how it is used right now or how we could define it for the future
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pfefferle ???
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aaronpk Zegnat: yeah that's the only thing i can think of right now
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aaronpk pfefferle: i store things as microformats objects on disk. i want to store venues along with storing people's h-cards in my nicknames cache. so i'm going to have a bunch of h-cards on disk, and then I want to show just a list of all my venues separately from people, so i need some way to distinguish them
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pfefferle aaronpk what about using p-label?
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aaronpk i don't see any notes about what p-label is for on http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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Loqi h-card
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aaronpk nor on http://microformats.org/wiki/hCard
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Loqi hCard 1.0
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pfefferle or as kind of an activity: main h-card is your profile, with a p-location of the venue
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Zegnat Did they lift label straight out of vCard? Seems to be a property that expresses what has to be printed on a label for postage..?
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aaronpk that seems likely
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sebsel the act of labeling something sounds more like p-category
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aaronpk yeah i think it's what Zegnat said, not "category"
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pfefferle or you use an experimental one as addition h-as-place http://microformats.org/wiki/activity-streams https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-place
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Loqi activity streams
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aaronpk VCard has a "KIND" property: "Defines the type of entity that this vCard represents: 'application', 'individual, 'group', 'location' or 'organization'; 'x-*' values may be used for experimental purposes."
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aaronpk https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6350#section-6.1.4
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aaronpk looks like that didn't make it over to hCard
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aaronpk despite hCard saying it's "using a 1:1 representation of vCard"
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Zegnat I see no reason why you shouldn't start using p-kind though
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Zegnat Seems well defined
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Zegnat I do wonder if vCard parsers make use of it? Or if the empty-name-filled-org combo is more prevelant
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aaronpk the other question is when do you really need to know the difference
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aaronpk my phone's address book doesn't distinguish between people and businesses, it just knows to show the org name if the first/last name are empty
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aaronpk in my case, I want to distinguish them in order to present a list of just venues when I create a checkin
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pfefferle but you can do that by seperating them by folders
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aaronpk i don't have folders, but that would be one way of doing it
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aaronpk an interesting benefit of ignoring the type difference and just using a "folder" is that i could theoretically put other kinds of things into that folder in order to "check in" to them, things that aren't necessarily places
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Zegnat I think my phone does distinguish. It shows a little building icon instead of a little person when I only fill the organisation name.
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Zegnat Though I don't think it will let me filter them, so for all intents they are equal
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aaronpk hah interesting
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aaronpk yeah i'm gonna see if i can make progress on checkins without distinguishing between people and venues
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pfefferle as you said, it makes it easier to use other objects too
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pfefferle and a checkin is not always on a venue... perhaps you want to check into my house on you next germany trip :)
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aaronpk this is getting into implementation details, but I have "channels" instead of "folders", so any post or h-card on my site can be in one or more channels. I guess i'm going to make a channel for "things I can check in to"
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aaronpk not sure what to call it tho, since they won't all necessarily be places
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Zegnat "been theres"?
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aaronpk "ticcit" => "things i can check in to"
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Zegnat I might implement p-kind in my wip adress book system. Also makes the convertion to vCard easy.
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@BloggersBooks Author hReview Plugin Review and Usage http://www.bloggersbooks.com/author-hreview-plugin-review-and-usage/ #Blogging, #Bloggers (twitter.com/_/status/822108444744261636)
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@rahelab Microformats FTW ... https://twitter.com/aaranged/status/822118350431977474 (twitter.com/_/status/822167074512502784)
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@call_user_func [New]pfefferle/wordpress-uf2-feed provides a Microformats2 JSON Feed for every WordPress URL. https://packagist.org/packages/pfefferle/wordpress-uf2-feed (twitter.com/_/status/822217174185971712)