#microformats 2017-02-06

2017-02-06 UTC
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@MyZAcoza Microformats and Structured Blogging http://free-mail.co.za/microformats-and-structured-blogging/ https://twitter.com/MyZAcoza/status/828471664841256960/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/828471664841256960)
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tantek what is Structured Blogging?
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KartikPrabhu SEO jargon?
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KartikPrabhu like Semantic Web?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no it was a competitor to microformats, then turned into a plugin that supported that competitor *and* microformats
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/StructuredBlogging
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Loqi StructuredBlogging
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KartikPrabhu " XML embedded in <script> tags inside HTML " judas priest!
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tantek lolol
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aaronpk sounds oddly familiar
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KartikPrabhu I am sure by now there is a "JSON embedded in <script> tags inside HTML " thing
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tantek !!!
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aaronpk that is what google is currently recommending for schema.org vocabularies
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tantek http://tantek.com/2015/020/t2/google-reinvents-microsoft-xml-data-islands
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] @kevinmarks Ha! @Google reinvents 15 yr old @Microsoft XML Data Islands as JSON-LD Data Islands msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms766512%28v=vs.85%29.aspx...
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aaronpk see also https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/17/8/owning-my-reviews
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Why Microformats? Owning My Reviews
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tantek KartikPrabhu: more: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee825299(v=cs.10).aspx
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tantek <script language='xml' id='DataIslandID'> data-island XML can go here </script>
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KartikPrabhu O_O
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tantek lololol
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tantek yes it's over 17 years old proprietary tech from microsoft "based on" standards
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KartikPrabhu I have a brilliant idea, I'm going to embed python dictionaries in <script> tags for no reason
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KartikPrabhu jk jk
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tantek also, I'm pretty impressed at MSFT for keeping the MSDN docs working so long, and viewable w/o JS
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KartikPrabhu the .aspx is pretty concerning :P
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KartikPrabhu server-side file extensions in URL are so strange
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tantek it's more ugly than concerning
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tantek I think aspx is asp.net
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KartikPrabhu given the history of " XML embedded in <script> tags inside HTML " stuff, I am surprised some people still complain about mf2 using classes instead of data-*
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tantek the .net version (update?) of ASP
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tantek KartikPrabhu: those don't compare at all! mf2 / class solve different problems than data-* attributes
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KartikPrabhu yes I know
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KartikPrabhu which is why those criticisms don;t make sense
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KartikPrabhu I ahven't collected them so don't ask me for links
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KartikPrabhu question: in the case of multiple authors of a h-entry, does mf2 have a notion of "ordering" of the authors?
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KartikPrabhu usecase: for scientific papers, the author ordering is traditionally considered important, with first-author being the "one who did most work" or "leader of the project" etc...
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yes, document order
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tantek per parsing spec
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KartikPrabhu interesting
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tantek of all property values, including property values that are themselves microformats objects
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tantek so if the scientific paper has it in a certain order in the *markup* (which it should, because it wants to express a semantic with that order), then microformats property values preserve that order
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tantek but if the scientific paper is written in some weird thing like PDF that might just randomize the order in a document, and then unrandomize it in the display, then who knows what happens when you get very poor HTML export from that PDF
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KartikPrabhu yeah talking HTML not PDF for this question
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KartikPrabhu so consumers should respect the ordering they get in the mf2
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tantek KartikPrabhu: depends on the consuming code. the order in the parsed MF2 reflects the order in the document. so if that matters to them, then yes.
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KartikPrabhu gotcha
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KevinMarks_ A concrete existing example is h-recipe, where the instructions are ordered
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pfefferle good morning
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pfefferle !tell tantek can you block Pakarseoindonesia (http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:SEO) because of spamming?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi User talk:SEO
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sebsel I now have a new library on my site: a list of books. And I have marked them up with h-cite, because that's for books. But now I'm thinking, shouldn't they be `h-product`s? I am not really citing them, more displaying them as objects.
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sebsel any thoughts?
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tantek sebsel - great question
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Loqi tantek: pfefferle left you a message 3 hours, 56 minutes ago: can you block Pakarseoindonesia (http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:SEO) because of spamming?
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tantek sebsel - that was a topic of an #indieweb session I think in 2015!
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tantek let's go chat there :)
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tantek pfefferle++ on it
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tantek !tell pfefferle done and thanks for your wiki gardening!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle tantek It is my 10th anniversary gift to the wiki ;)
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Loqi pfefferle: tantek left you a message 45 minutes ago: done and thanks for your wiki gardening!
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@kevinmarks @cramforce so you stuck with canonical after all, not a new sharelink rel? http://microformats.org/wiki/sharelink-formats https://amphtml.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/whats-in-an-amp-url/ (twitter.com/_/status/828706663536340992)
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@kevinmarks @cramforce we have found it useful to document the discussions and existing share examples - I put some in at http://microformats.org/wiki/sharelink-examples (twitter.com/_/status/828714209290575872)
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