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#voxpelliit do is about fallback, I responded once again
#voxpelliit may be a lack of microformats thinking on my behalf, but the HTML spec seems to make it clear that "alt" in its essence is "fallback content"
#tantekthat's only one use-case for alt, it's not a is-only-a relationship
#tanteklike I said for object, its contents are HTML, not text, so it's wrong to use the same approach (will cause you problems with what's escaped and what's not etc.)
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#voxpellitantek: the fallback content for a would simply be the same as the p-* representation of it, so not an unachievable goal
#tantekall I saw was "for a would simple" - is that missing some tag?
#tantekfor the sake of simplicity, solve the immediate actual problem, instead of trying to generalizing to problems that haven't happened yet
#voxpelliI just tried to consider the difference as you asked me to. I'm sorry
#tantekI understand. I'm trying to get at whether there is an actual real problem we are solving, or if we're being more theoretical with object. there have been other proposals for element specific special parsing rules, and we have rejected them due to lack of real world examples.
#voxpelliAs I said: I would do with a "it would be simpler to" rather than saying that the difference I inferred is actually wrong and also to try and provide spec pointers to where my interpretation is wrong
#tanteksame place in the HTML spec, <object> takes markup inside, the entirety of which is "fallback" for when the browser is unable to render the object itself for any reason
#voxpelliIf you give me that feedback I get tools that can help me next time give you better feedback to you