#microformats 2017-03-07

2017-03-07 UTC
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aaronpk
guess what
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aaronpk
I found a consumer of mf2 h-recipe
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aaronpk
that's why Perfect Drink added h-recipe to their web pages!
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tantek
what the what
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tantek
what is Perfect Drink?
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Loqi
h-recipe
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aaronpk
thanks Loqi
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Loqi
you're welcome, aaronpk
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tantek
greetings microformats folks: looking for volunteers to help with minimal spec edit suggestions for this issue: https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/2
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Zegnat
tantek, would the spec also need to incorporate fallback values for other embedded content (as per voxpelli’s comment https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/2#issuecomment-232129210) or only for IMG elements?
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tantek
this isn't about "fallback" this is about capturing what the author authored
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tantek
specifically on the element with the microformats property name
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tantek
but I should reply to that comment
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voxpelli
it do is about fallback, I responded once again
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voxpelli
it may be a lack of microformats thinking on my behalf, but the HTML spec seems to make it clear that "alt" in its essence is "fallback content"
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tantek
that's only one use-case for alt, it's not a is-only-a relationship
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tantek
like I said for object, its contents are HTML, not text, so it's wrong to use the same approach (will cause you problems with what's escaped and what's not etc.)
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voxpelli
tantek: the fallback content for a would simply be the same as the p-* representation of it, so not an unachievable goal
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tantek
all I saw was "for a would simple" - is that missing some tag?
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voxpelli
For an object*
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tantek
it's not, it's the HTML per spec, not plain text
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tantek
the HTML inside the object
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tantek
so not the same as the p-* representation
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tantek
so trying to make it the same either gets it wrong (not what object fallback is) or excessively complicates img alt
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tantek
both are bad
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tantek
better to instead solve object if that's ever an issue of its own
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voxpelli
Sigh, well, I would do with a "For sake of simplicity of the Microformat parsing it would be easier to just spec the alt behavior"
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tantek
so far the examples provided are forced / artificial
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tantek
which is usually a bad sign
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tantek
for the sake of simplicity, solve the immediate actual problem, instead of trying to generalizing to problems that haven't happened yet
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voxpelli
I just tried to consider the difference as you asked me to. I'm sorry
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tantek
I understand. I'm trying to get at whether there is an actual real problem we are solving, or if we're being more theoretical with object. there have been other proposals for element specific special parsing rules, and we have rejected them due to lack of real world examples.
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voxpelli
As I said: I would do with a "it would be simpler to" rather than saying that the difference I inferred is actually wrong and also to try and provide spec pointers to where my interpretation is wrong
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tantek
same place in the HTML spec, <object> takes markup inside, the entirety of which is "fallback" for when the browser is unable to render the object itself for any reason
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voxpelli
If you give me that feedback I get tools that can help me next time give you better feedback to you
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voxpelli
s/feedback to you/feedback/
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