#microformats 2017-05-16

2017-05-16 UTC
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[shaners] The old microformats repo has been transferred to me now. I’ll change up the settings and make a note in the readme, then transfer it over.
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[shaners] to the indieweb org
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[shaners] The repo is now at https://github.com/indieweb/microformats-ruby-old
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Loqi [indieweb] microformats-ruby-old: Nothing quite yet, the future new home of the Microformats Ruby parser
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ben_thatmustbeme shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 4 karma in this channel (64 overall)
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[shaners] I’m working on a 3.1 branch now. I’ll push soon for review.
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aaronpk There was an old repo?
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[shaners] aaronpk There was a previous gem called “microformats” which is why I called the one that I started “microformats2". It’s repo was chrisjpowers/microformats. It was dormant, unmaintained and unfinished.
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[shaners] I asked him if he’d give them to us. He did.
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[shaners] microformats-ruby-old is transferred over (and renamed) for posterity. The README now says that it’s unmaintained and directs readers to the real parser.
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aaronpk ohhh
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[shaners] Next up is a process to release the mf2 gem under the simpler name of just “microformats”.
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aaronpk i never noticed the new one was called "microformats2"
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[shaners] It’s not a huge deal. But it’s a little thing that always bugged me.
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[shaners] Especially now that it supports legacy microformats too, not just microformats2. ?
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[shaners] ben_thatmustbeme PR ready for your review when you have time https://github.com/indieweb/microformats2-ruby/pull/65
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Loqi [veganstraightedge] #65 Release 3.1 as a transition to renaming to microformats (4.0)
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gRegorLove Hmm, php-mf2 seems to be converting <br /> to <br></br> in the e-* html
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aaronpk for real? i feel like i would have noticed that
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gRegorLove Double-checking my markup...
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gRegorLove Yeah http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2F2017%2F07%2Fmxpx%2F for https://gregorlove.com/2017/07/mxpx/, the <br> between the links
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gRegorLove checks unmung
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gRegorLove mf2py on unmung gets it right: http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2F2017%2F07%2Fmxpx%2F&html=&pretty=on
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[shaners] Has there ever been any talk of having unified mf parser site?
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[shaners] i.e., parser.mf.org/ruby parser.mf.org/php parser.mf.org/python etc
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gRegorLove Looks like the issue is with DOMDocument::saveHTML
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[shaners] gRegorLove: Here’s the Ruby parsing of your post. https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/d734b58dc439cd82262a8df1ca3eeaeb
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gRegorLove [shaners]: iirc willnorris had a page with iframes running each of the parsers at last year's IWS.
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[shaners] any idea the url?
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gRegorLove Not offhand, but let me check
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Zegnat gRegorLove, ah, DOMDocument makes sense. I know it can require some extra string parsing for void elements.
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gRegorLove Zegnat: Yeah, had to do some workarounds to get a better "innerText" for php-mf2. Might have to do similar for this. https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/82
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #82 Implemented @glennjones "innerText" parsing for better parsed whitespace
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aaronpk ick
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gRegorLove yyyyeah
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gRegorLove [shaners]: Can't seem to find it. I would have expected it to appear on https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2016-06-05 if anywhere, but don't see it.
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[shaners] oh well
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gRegorLove I'll ask him on twitter
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[shaners] nbd
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gRegorLove [shaners]: https://twitter.com/willnorris/status/864572818222063617
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Loqi [@willnorris] @gRegorLove https://willnorris.github.io/mf2compare/ though apparently the go server is down... I'll try and get that back up
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[shaners] grool
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ben_thatmustbeme re the <br> tag conversion, there is a similar problem in the ruby parser with <img /> tag, but only if you modify the tag
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ben_thatmustbeme at least thats the only place i saw an issue, didn't actually try it on the old one
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ben_thatmustbeme s/the old one/many tests
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ben_thatmustbeme its a 'feature'? of nokogiri that it automatically corrects your html to be current
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[shaners] I think so. At one point, it set out to match whatever Firefox did. Not sure if still stuff.
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[shaners] s/stuff/true/
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[shaners] Also, I think there is a flag you can un/set to correct un-well-formed markup or not. I think.
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ben_thatmustbeme [shaners]: re PR, should we also mention that they may need to change class names as well once 4.0 launches Microformats.parse instead of Microformats2.parse?
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[shaners] Good catch
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[shaners] I’ll add a commit
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ben_thatmustbeme http://www.nokogiri.org/tutorials/ensuring_well_formed_markup.html
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ben_thatmustbeme don't see any way to turn it off
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[shaners] Ping @tenderlove on Twitter
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[shaners] Maybe I’m wrong
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aaronpk is it converting it to well-formed XML or HTML?
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[shaners] ben_thatmustbeme I just realized I was getting ahead of myself.
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[shaners] Should 3.1 be just a message that 4.0 is coming and this change message in 4.0?
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[shaners] Or should 3.1 include this whole message AND change class names?
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ben_thatmustbeme i see where you are going with it, its just an annoying change for some people i'm sure, and i want to make sure we get it right
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, thats tough... hmm
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[shaners] I’m leaning toward, 3.1 shouldn’t breaking anything, only warn of the future and instruct how to move forward.
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ben_thatmustbeme ideally, can we make it so you can use either for 3.1?
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[shaners] Would you be willing to take on that aspect of 3.1?
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ben_thatmustbeme sure
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[shaners] PS. I’m working on a Ruby port of pin13.net.
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[shaners] Thanks.
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[shaners] You can reject my PR or build upon it. Either is fine by me.
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aaronpk oh nice, of the little parser form thingy?
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[shaners] yep
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aaronpk sweet.
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[shaners] enter URL / html, get json
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aaronpk not that you need it, but if you're curious, the source code is here https://github.com/aaronpk/mf2-test
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Loqi [aaronpk] mf2-test: Small web page for displaying parsed microformats2
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[shaners] thx
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ben_thatmustbeme actually, its super simple to do [shaners]
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ben_thatmustbeme both options
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[shaners] dealer’s choice
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[shaners] aaronpk What does “Save HTML” checkbox do?
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aaronpk creates a permalink with the HTML you enter
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aaronpk so it's like a gist for microformats
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[shaners] Oh i see. `?id=timestamp`
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[shaners] any reason you did a timestamp instead of a auto increment id? 1, 2, 3…
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aaronpk unguessable
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[shaners] what’s the danger of guessable?
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aaronpk or rather, less easily enumerable
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aaronpk just didn't want people to troll through the IDs to find stuff
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[shaners] ok
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ben_thatmustbeme [shaners]: is the plan to release 3.1 and 4.0 basically simulataneously
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ben_thatmustbeme ?
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[shaners] yep
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ben_thatmustbeme so i suppose this bit isn't needed, but it will allow people to do these steps in either order
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[shaners] yep
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ben_thatmustbeme have to run, just pushed a change [shaners]
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ben_thatmustbeme to that branch
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[shaners] thx
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[shaners] aaronpk Your labels could use a `for` attr to make them clickable. (On pin13.net)
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aaronpk good call. i always forget that
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gRegorLove Does pin13 clear saved parses after a period?
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aaronpk Not yet but I reserve the right to :-)
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gRegorLove Now I'm curious how many there are :)
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aaronpk There's a note on there that says they expire right?
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[shaners] i don’t see one
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aaronpk oh huh, i must be thinking of webmention.rocks
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aaronpk there's 12mb of data :)
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[shaners] sheesh
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aaronpk 658 items
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aaronpk since Dec 2015
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[shaners] aaronpk Who controls the DNS for microformats.org?
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[shaners] Here is a Ruby port of pin13.net/mf2:
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[shaners] https://microformats-ruby-parser.herokuapp.com
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[shaners] I would like to set up the DNS for it to live at ruby.microformats.org.
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[shaners] JSON URLs are similar to pin13's:
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[shaners] https://microformats-ruby-parser.herokuapp.com/microformats?url=https%3A%2F%2Fveganstraightedge.com%2Farticles%2F2017%2F04%2F25%2Flightheaded-all-day-long
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[shaners] Presentation for saved HTML snippets is similar too.
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[shaners] http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20170516222016313
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[shaners] https://microformats-ruby-parser.herokuapp.com/submissions/1
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Loqi MxPx
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Loqi MxPx
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[shaners] HA!
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gRegorLove [shaners]++
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[shaners] aaronpk How do you avoid getting blasted with spam on pin13?
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gRegorLove Looks nice! Appears it's not normalizing relative URLs, like the profile photo.
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gRegorLove Oh it's just the rendered HTML as-is. That's probably fine then
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[shaners] gregorlove: correct
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[shaners] I didn’t think it was worth the effort to fix up the relative paths in displayed HTML
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[shaners] ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/indieweb/microformats-ruby/pull/66
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[shaners] Take a look. If it’s good and you approve, I’ll release microformats2 3.1 a microformats 4.0 tonight.
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Loqi [veganstraightedge] #66 Rename and number from Microformats2 to Microformats (version bump to 4.0.0)
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