#microformats 2017-05-18

2017-05-18 UTC
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@rubygems microformats (4.0.1): A Ruby gem to parse HTML containing one or more microformats and microformats2 and return a… https://rubygems.org/gems/microformats (twitter.com/_/status/865005039374311424)
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[shaners] tantek @benward aaronpk et al: who controls the dns for microformats.org ?
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tantek shaners, the micrognomes :)
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tantek checks logs
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[shaners] can you pass a message to them please?
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[shaners] https://github.com/indieweb/microformats-ruby-parser-website/issues/3
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Loqi [veganstraightedge] #3 Wire up DNS (ruby.microformats.org ?)
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tantek shaners, any reason why microformats.org/wiki/ruby won't do for now?
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tantek could also setup top level /ruby if there's a good reason for it (as compared to other languages or other top level stuff)
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tantek ah, will add to issue
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tantek apologies for redirecting
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[shaners] https://microformats-ruby-parser.herokuapp.com is a standalone rails app. Deploying that to a wiki page seems unlikely.
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tantek hah!
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[shaners] I am proposing that each of the language parser websites live at a subdomain:
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[shaners] php.mf.org node.mf.org etc
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tantek I'd rather see subdomains for separate user-facing apps if we really want to bother with maintaining subdomains
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tantek the higher level problem is that we are already stretched beyond what we can maintain, so I'd be against more microformats server admin stuff
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[shaners] I built the ruby parser site yesterday in a few hours. But I don’t want to host it on my personal domain, nor at a branded heroku subdomain.
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[shaners] I’m down to maintain the app and run it on heroku. But i’d rather the url be in mf.org name space.
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[kevinmarks] twitter has microformats, but only on intent pages
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[kevinmarks] and in the embedded iframes
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[shaners] (I also think it’s better self-documentation than on misc personal sites)
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[shaners] lang name subdomains, that is
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fintent%2Fuser%3Fscreen_name%3Dkevinmarks&html=&pretty=on
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tantek Twitter used to have microformats (classic) on profiles and permalinks
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tantek shaners++ for https://microformats-ruby-parser.herokuapp.com/ !
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tantek btw this needs some serious updating microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Ruby to at a minimum link to the updated repo, and that test site (with perhaps an invitation for someone to put a domain for it!)
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tantek ooh "We're sorry, but something went wrong. / If you are the application owner check the logs for more information." (just tried tantek.com)
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[shaners] I’m pushing the fix as we speak. ben_thatmustbeme released 4.0.1 earlier today.
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[shaners] try again
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[shaners] I’ll leave updating the wiki as an exercise for ben_thatmustbeme et al.
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[shaners] As for the “invitation for someone to put a domain for it”… what does that mean?
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ben_thatmustbeme He means to request others to put up a domain for it
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[shaners] oh
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[shaners] but why bother with another domain when we already have mf.org?
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tantek distributing the admin load
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tantek when we're already over capacity on microformats.org
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[shaners] If I was give access to the DNS, I could do it
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tantek shaners, it's not a matter of initial work, we're over capacity on admin load because of ongoing maintenance, which is nearly always discounted / ignored in these kinds of discussions
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tantek having someone else do it on another domain delegates the maintenance, which is far more important (costly over time) than any initial setup
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[shaners] putting it on another domain just pushes the maintenance to some where/one else.
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[shaners] IMO, at the expense of, user/reader ux.
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[shaners] How does someone (not me necessarily, just asking) become part of the “we” that helps take on the burden of ongoing maintenance for mf.org?
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tantek like any other community, starts showing up and doing other productive reliable work
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tantek hey that's an faq
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[shaners] What if someone doesn’t want to do other work? They just want to do dns admin?
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4oQuyF_Q.jpg
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tantek because we've had trolls (not you obv) in the past try to claim they should be admins
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tantek it's about community trust
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[shaners] oh
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tantek have never seen that work out well, volunteer admins for a community that they don't actually have any other (personal or otherwise) stake in
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[shaners] sure. that’s fair.
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[shaners] (Sincerely. I see how that can read as snark. It’s not.)
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tantek I took it sincerely :)
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tantek hah - literally the only FAQ about admins ? http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-faq
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Loqi admin FAQ
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tantek shaners, that being said, if you have suggestions for improving the politeness, tone, encouragment etc. of that faq - totally open to it
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[shaners] So, we’re at an impasse. You don’t want to do it as a subdomain. I don’t want to host it somewhere else. You think the ongoing maintenance down the road will be more than it’s worth. I think it’s a one and done cname. Maaaybe updated in years.
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[shaners] It’s not like installing or maintaining wikimedia or wordpress.
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[shaners] CNAME ruby ruby.microformats.org.herokudns.com.
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tantek !tell ben_thatmustbeme want to take a crack at updating http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Ruby ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi microformats2
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tantek shaners, would a redirect from microformats.org/ruby-parser to https://microformats-ruby-parser.herokuapp.com/ be an ok or at least acceptable interim compromise?
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[shaners] Would a personal domain redirect to a *.wp.com or *.tumblr.com be acceptable?
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[shaners] It’s certainly not preferable. But ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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ben_thatmustbeme I think it's okay that it not be on the subdomain.
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 13 minutes ago: want to take a crack at updating http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Ruby ?
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ben_thatmustbeme I actually think it's better on a different domain
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[shaners] ben_thatmustbeme do you want to take that on?
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ben_thatmustbeme If I had a system set up for ruining Ruby, sure
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[shaners] I’m already running the app in Heroku land. That’s not the problem.
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ben_thatmustbeme So it's literally just a domain name
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[shaners] I just don’t want to have another domain on my docket.
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[shaners] (And I’d prefer that the community doesn’t have to learn and remember yet another domain, but that ship seems to have sailed.)
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ben_thatmustbeme I'll take a look tomorrow
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[shaners] kthx
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ben_thatmustbeme Same hours for the wiki page tantek
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tantek hours?
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ben_thatmustbeme Stupid phone
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ben_thatmustbeme Same goes*
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ben_thatmustbeme Think it's good to list in the stable section?
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[shaners] I think so
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[shaners] It’s spec compliant and with good test coverage
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tantek go for it
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tantek FWIW the Python parser has a live version on a heroku URL also
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[shaners] i know. i think that’s poor form. for the same reasons that we discourage that for personal domains.
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tantek seems ok for just "tools" that aren't actually hosting any content
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[shaners] this and pin13 both have permalinks. to me that counts as content.
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tantek oh of the parsed content? that's a good point
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[shaners] yep
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[shaners] for parsed urls and parsed html snippets
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aaronpk Hosting content with permalinks is a great reason not to use *.microformats.org actually
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aaronpk i would want to make sure the permalinks expired very quickly if they were on microformats.org
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tantek indeed
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gRegorLove gets back to updating /h-card-examples
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gRegorLove Should it still mention XFN examples like /hcard-examples ? Are there XFN consumers?
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tantek certainly consumers of rel=me :)
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gRegorLove Really? ;)
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aaronpk I think it's perfectly fine to have the different language parsers spread across a bunch of different domains. It's not like Microformats is a corporation that is developing client libraries that need to look branded and consistent. Having it on multiple domains makes it look more widely adopted if anything!
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gRegorLove Examples on there are for others, "References to People in Blog Posts" "References to People in Blogrolls"
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gregorlove edited /h-card-examples (+860) "=== Site profiles === modernized examples, linked to web-sign-in" (view diff)
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@emiri @unk__14 hCalendar (twitter.com/_/status/865080047840841729)
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schmarty ben_thatmustbeme++ for the new h-feed support in ruby microformats gem!
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schmarty [shaners]++ for the gem consolidation and release!
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