#microformats 2017-09-12

2017-09-12 UTC
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vivus Hello all.
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vivus Zegnat: what OS do you use?
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@gRegorLove @kimadactl Not sure about crawling. Calagator can import events from hCalendar (microformats1) and there's a request to support h-event (microformats2) (twitter.com/_/status/907488538303893506)
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Zegnat vivus: I am on macOS
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Zegnat Did you ever get h2vx running, vivus?
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vivus Zegnat: I re-cloned the repo, did not make any modifications to the code, except for the sharing.js you did. The result I got was: no tidy :(No hCards found
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Zegnat Yeah, there is no installation guide for h2vx. It requires HTML Tidy available to PHP.
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Zegnat I have some projects where I modify HTML through DOMDocument and run it through Tidy, so I already had that set-up
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vivus HTML Tidy? Zegnat
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vivus Zegnat: finally, it works!
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vivus I was missing tidy
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Zegnat Sorry for slow replies, I am in class.
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Zegnat Yeah, Tidy is a PHP extension. But I guess you figured that out :)
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vivus took a while to get it working. Zegnat , how do I add instructions to make the setup easier for others?
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vivus are there any h-card generators in the wild?
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Zegnat I think veganstraightedge used to have a tool where people could create hcards. Don't have a link ready though.
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Zegnat vivus pull requests are always welcomed, just work on the README if you want to improve documentation.
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vivus Zegnat: there is no readme for the h2vx site
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vivus I could create a CLI-tool for it. Zegnat do you have a link to the full list of properties for h-cards?
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Zegnat vivus: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card#Properties is a list of the common ones.
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Loqi h-card
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Zegnat But microformats are very flexible and extendable. See e.g. http://vanderven.se/martijn/ for a big h-card.
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven
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Zegnat If you want to build vcards, it might be better to work back from vcard properties and finding out what microformats people are using to describe them.
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vivus Zegnat: for now, I am targeting building a mf2 generator for h-cards
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vivus what programming languages are you familiar with? Zegnat
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@cat_and_cat3 どーもワードプレスでマークアップをしようとすると、　microformatsがじゃましてschemaの効果が効かない、、、 どうやったらmicroformatsの息の根を止められるかな。 (twitter.com/_/status/907593705443401729)
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Zegnat vivus, I work with the web, mainly JavaScript and PHP. Though I have worked a little with Ruby and C++.
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vivus Zegnat: did you compose your h-card manually?
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Zegnat I would look for a mf2 parser in whatever language you are using, and skip writing the parser yourself. If that is an option for you.
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Zegnat Yes, my homepage is all manual HTML
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vivus Zegnat: maybe my language was unclear. I want to build an app that allows people to generate h-cards. None exist (from what I know)
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vivus Unless you know of a strategy where I can hack a generator via a parser
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Zegnat https://github.com/veganstraightedge/h-card-as-a-service - I believe let people generate h-cards
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Loqi [veganstraightedge] h-card-as-a-service
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Zegnat That’s the project I was referring to earlier today. Just got home, so I was only now able to dig it up.
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vivus awesome. you may have saved me enormous amounts of time :)
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[kevinmarks] Also, remember indiewebify.me will check them
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vivus [kevinmarks]: are you chatting on a slack group?
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sebsel vivus The IndieWeb Slack's channel #microformats (see http://indieweb.org/discuss) is bridged to this channel.
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vivus wait, that doesn't make sense. why would an indieweb use a slack group?
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sebsel I'm afraid this is not the right channel to discuss that, but it's just one way to join the discussion :)
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vivus where should I discuss it? sebsel
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sebsel #indieweb-meta?
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vivus that channel is empty :)
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sebsel without the question mark certainly not. I'm in it.
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[kevinmarks] I use slack on my phone more because I don't have an irc bouncer set up.
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@m4rseo https://jsonld.com Des exemples super complets pour vos microformats en JSON (twitter.com/_/status/907639217060270081)
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tantek Would it be helpful to have a navigable set of actual microformats in JSON like that?
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aaronpk like what?
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aaronpk jsonld . com is blocked according to my list of blocked domains (malware)
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tantek wow
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tantek but not blocked by Twitter then
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tantek it's a WordPress site - so if there's malware it was likely planted externally
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tantek Google seems to think it's ok: https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=https:%2F%2Fjsonld.com%2F
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aaronpk huh
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tantek I mean, that's from 2017-08-31 so who knows if that is out of date, but curious if you can find evidence of mal. I did a quick view source scan and didn't see anything (beyond WordPress 4.8.1 - which is the latest)
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tantek ok so here's the weird thing - they have no actual JSONLD example in their example pages, e.g. https://jsonld.com/article/
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aaronpk ok i'll whitelist it
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tantek nor in the source! so they're not using JSONLD themselves
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tantek dogfoodfail
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tantek oh weird, they're including it remotely via JS from github
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tantek to display on the page visibly
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tantek but they don't have any "application/ld+json" in the source of their own pages which is quite ironic.
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[kevinmarks] They have mf2 though
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tantek wait what
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjsonld.com&html=&pretty=on
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tantek on what page? I didn't see any on /article
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tantek I'm guessing compat mf1 seen by your parser
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[kevinmarks] Ah, mf1 yes
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[kevinmarks] With my wp compatiblity extensions
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tantek oh? are those documented somewhere? like as a backcompat proposal?
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tantek (for parsers)
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tantek yeah it's hAtom from their WP theme
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[kevinmarks] I think I did.
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/blob/master/mf2py/backcompat.py
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[kevinmarks] See the h-feed mapping
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tantek whoa
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tantek hey there's no backcompat section in the h-feed spec!
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tantek not sure how I missed that
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[kevinmarks] Hm, I should fix that.
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tantek I'll get to it eventually, but if you want to take a crack at it, start by cloning the structure of http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Backward_Compatibility
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[kevinmarks] The top level stuff in hAtom was pretty sparse
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tantek it's ok to start backcompat as minimal / sparse
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tantek that's a good way to start it,
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tantek and then add "Proposed" for the stuff you've discovered
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tantek similar to how http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Backward_Compatibility has a couple of "Proposed" items
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML. ...
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tantek well that was odd Loqi - why show a link preview the second time and not the first?
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tantek hmm - there shouldn't be a separate "Parsing" section there on h-feed
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tantek that's an error. those kinds of extension should only be for backward compat
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tantek fixing
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tantek that I can't leave be
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tantek edited /h-feed (+472) "replace misleading "Parsing" section with "Backward Compatibility" stub sections" (view diff)
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tantek ok KevinMarks, backcompat section stubbed very minimally with the content that was there - stub warnings etc.
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tantek have at it! http://microformats.org/wiki/h-feed#Backward_Compatibility
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Loqi h-feed
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[kevinmarks] Partly hAtom didn't specify anything at the hfeed level, which was a bit of an omission. Part of that is that Atom has the slightly odd inheritance model between feed and entry
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tantek and we didn't manage to verify any of that odd inheritance with real world examples so we should ditch it by default
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tantek until we find actual examples we can't solve any other way
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[kevinmarks] Author inheritance was used
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[kevinmarks] But author discovery covers that I think
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tantek right, we separated it out to a specific algorithm, instead of making the format more complicate
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tantek d
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[kevinmarks] Omitting title and subtitle at the feed level was a bit odd though. I don't remember how we got there
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tantek conceptually or backcompat? we have p-name and p-summary
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[kevinmarks] Backcompat. We fixed it in h-feed but hAtom had nothing top level except category
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gregorlove edited /h-feed (+3) "/* Parser Compatibility */ fix </span>" (view diff)
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gregorlove edited /h-feed (-3) "/* Parser Compatibility */ https indieweb url" (view diff)
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tantek ? that first edit. Good sign I should get/make (late) lunch.
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tantek gRegorLove++ thanks for promptly noticing/fixing :)
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Loqi gregorlove has 14 karma in this channel (181 overall)
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gRegorLove :)
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kevin marks edited /h-feed (+238) "/* Parser Compatibility */ wordpress suggestions" (view diff)
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