#microformats 2018-03-12

2018-03-12 UTC
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magaly956 edited /h-card (+91) "/* Example */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: spammer^
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tantek thanks gRegorLove
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sknebel !tell KartikPrabhu: your PR seems good to me! (if a bit hard to follow)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@rhiaro @doriantaylor Plain JSON and JSON schema stuff I suppose. Microformats. I can't think of alternatives that would cover everything you can do with RDF, but I think people who claim RDF is dead don't really want to do anything open and/or complex (twitter.com/_/status/973235391468797953)
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@doriantaylor @rhiaro which yeah if you're using microformats or whatever, there are no "others" (twitter.com/_/status/973236399448014848)
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aaronpk ohboy some minor issues with php-mf2
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sknebel still new bugs?
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aaronpk one is a trivial undefined variable bug
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aaronpk the other is that there's a bunch of whitespace around the "text" of the rel-urls
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aaronpk see: https://pin13.net/mf2-dev/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgrant.codes%2F2018%2F03%2F12%2F5aa6cec6905a7d7651abca7d
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aaronpk not sure if that's needs a spec clarification or is a php-mf2 bug
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sknebel spec says: "text": the text content of the element if any
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sknebel so I guess you can add the same dance of "strip whitespace, remove script and style tags, ..." there too
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aaronpk I would think so
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sknebel and/or maybe the page should globally say that it means that by "text content" unless explicitly specified otherwise...
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sknebel since we repeat that *a lot*
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KartikPrabhu mf2py strips the rel-urls "text" but does not do any other stuff
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: sknebel left you a message 3 hours, 34 minutes ago: your PR seems good to me! (if a bit hard to follow)
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sknebel KartikPrabhu: also, after taking a peek just now: props for wading into dt-vcp, that code looked hairy
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KartikPrabhu yeah that bit of the spec is very dense
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gRegorLove Yeah, I think whitespace stripping should be defined globally somehow. Similarly something for making URLs absolute.
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tantek gRegorLove: making URLs absolute is defined by reference
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gRegorLove That could shorten text like this: https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/2#issuecomment-372152186
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Loqi [gRegorLove] LGTM. Think my only addition now is to ensure the `src` attribute in the dictionary gets normalized to an absolute URL: * `value`: get the `src` attribute of the `img` and use the normalized absolute URL of it, following the containing document's ...
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tantek whitespace stripping, maybe, if we can. depends if there are individual use-cases that need special treatment or not
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gRegorLove "by reference"? Not sure what that means.
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aaronpk oh man I want to release php-mf2 so bad now
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aaronpk we're so close
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@kevinmarks @doriantaylor @rhiaro Can you walk me through that one? Microformats 1 was a narrow set of vocabularies that each parser needed to know; microformats 2 is a generalised parsing model that works with arbitrary vocabularies. (twitter.com/_/status/973323952281006080)
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@doriantaylor @kevinmarks @rhiaro how would I go about mixing rdf and microformats (twitter.com/_/status/973326120564137984)
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tantek y tho?
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tantek waits for kevinmarks to cite his own blog post on the subject
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tantek or better yet, ask what's the use-case
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gRegorLove aaronpk, need help with any last minute fixes?
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aaronpk I think the last thing is the rel-urls whitespace issue
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aaronpk I haven't noticed anything else wrong yet, and at this point I think i'd rather release this and do bugfix releases if needed after that
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aaronpk i've been running it in Aperture since last week, and I'm eager to get it into XRay so that my website can start using it too
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gRegorLove Ok. Just whitespace on the 'text' value, right?
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aaronpk yeah
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gRegorLove Probably line 1278: `$rel_attributes['text'] = unicodeTrim($hyperlink->nodeValue);` untested of course.
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gRegorLove I'm fine with doing in a bugfix release though
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gRegorLove It's been quite a while, will be nice to have 0.4.0 out
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@kevinmarks @doriantaylor @rhiaro OK, let me try this a different way. What problem are you trying to solve? You like rdf as an abstraction, which is fair enough. Do you want to turn information marked up as microformats into rdf so you can link it to data you already have? (twitter.com/_/status/973329752315629568)
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tantek kevinmarks++ nice cooperative reframing
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Loqi kevinmarks has 6 karma in this channel (299 overall)
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@doriantaylor @kevinmarks @rhiaro you are reacting to a remark I made about "other" vocabularies and microformats not really having that concept in the same way RDFS/OWL does (i.e. term reconciliation via rdfs:subClassOf, rdfs:subPropertyOf, owl:equivalentClass, owl:equivalentProperty, owl:sameAs) am I wrong? (twitter.com/_/status/973332168213581824)
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KartikPrabhu would be great if we could release the new mf2py also
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[kevinmarks] Yes, sorry, I'll look at your merge.
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KartikPrabhu need t figure out pypi too I think tommorris needs to add some more "owners" or somerthing
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sknebel yes, he can give people access to the package
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sknebel (or do the release himself, if that's quicker for the first run then deciding who and setting all that up)
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KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: in the meantime could you grant me enough permissions so I can add labels to issues on the mf2py repo?
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@kevinmarks @doriantaylor @rhiaro Yes, in that microformats tries much harder to converge and reuse properties rather than declare equivalence. In a sense http://brid.gy is doing the sameAs mapping as a service. Subclasses etc don't fit the worldview, it's more like mixins. (twitter.com/_/status/973342636475117568)
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