#microformats 2019-02-11

2019-02-11 UTC
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@cjwillcock Introducing mf2bench, a benchmarking tool which measures performance of various @microformats parsers! https://cjwillcock.ca/2019/02/10/mf2bench-parse-all-the-things-with-all-the-parsers/ (twitter.com/_/status/1094752471166210051)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ so amazing and serindipitous all around. WP-Demension theme you built was the first thing I tried to add to #IndieWeb. Theme ready made to be big h-card https://microformats.org/wiki/h-card Like I said I have a repo but it was first thing I tried.. Bad… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/11/cogdog-so-amazing-and-serindipitous-all (twitter.com/_/status/1094754214499233793)
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aaronpk whoa
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 1 day, 20 hours ago: attempt at restoring the mf2 extension mechanism that I accidentally removed last April: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#extensions - still a little rough, but wanted to keep it fairly close to what was there last April before making any non-trivial changes. Hope this helps.
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aaronpk native extension PHP parser
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aaronpk written in C
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aaronpk apparently ~6x faster than the PHP one
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@jgmac1106 Great post. You helped me understand some clear differences. On Known we get it all. Dublin Core, Linked Data, and microformats. I did remove the Open Graph. I just can't get over idea that when vocabularies get soarge we should just call them, words. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1WngBd) (twitter.com/_/status/1094822281765941248)
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Zegnat That PHP extension looks so good, I’ll switch to that in a heartbeat
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Zegnat Wonder what cjwillcock is using as HTML parser
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Zegnat “mf2 uses the HTML parser from libxml2.” wonder if that handles HTML5 as an actual HTML5 parser
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Zegnat From a quick Googling, the answer is no :(
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sknebel !tell cjwillcock congrats on your parser progress! It'd be great if you could put a testing page like https://php.microformats.io up, helps with manual testing and sharing results?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel cjwillcock++
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Zegnat cjwillcock++ for sure! impressive work!
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@pingmerlot ↩️ Next up, 'Jack Merlot - Slippin Fifties ' which is basically a song about microformats that was popular in Bloomington, MN about eight years ago. (twitter.com/_/status/1094943552243748865)
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annevk Heya, I'm making a change to the HTML Standard that will turn <form> into a hyperlink-like thing
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annevk In particular, it'll get the rel attribute
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annevk This would require some changes to the rel attribute page on the microformats wiki
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annevk https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/4332 has details
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annevk I hope you can see this even though I'm not voiced
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aaronpk Hello, yes IRC voice doesn't do anything here anymore
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annevk Thanks, to elaborate a bit more: I guess I'm looking for help, thoughts on which HTML Standard values to allow, and feedback on this change in general
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Zegnat Bookmarking for later reading. Especially interested in how form is going to be different from link and a/area in the link types table. Since that would need to be mirrored by the mf wiki, and probably needs something added for all (?) pre-existing relations
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annevk Zegnat: yeah, so one example where I've made it different is bookmark, but a lot of this is open to argument
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annevk Zegnat: https://whatpr.org/html/4332/5c68ab3...af22fbd/links.html#linkTypes has a diff
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annevk (though I'm fixing external since it should match nofollow)
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Zegnat Brilliant, that is going to be easier than the GitHub diff, annevk! Thanks. Will tryto find time to read tonight, else tomorrow during work hours.
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sknebel hm, on first look I'm not sure about the use cases for the "Hyperlink" types... i.e. is a form ever going to be rel="next"?
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annevk sknebel: quiz
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sknebel although I guess form rel="search" could make sense
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sknebel and the odd apps might use POST and thus form buttons for navigation, even if that's typically discouraged...
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annevk initially my plan was to only enable noopener and friends, but then I realized there's quite a few that seem fairly reasonable
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annevk and in the end <form> navigates as much as <a>
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sknebel yeah, I see where you're coming from
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@jgmac1106 OMG OMG So excited. I think I learned today that by reverting back to classic @Blogger themes and five minutes of hacking on one HTML file you can launch an #IndieWeb blog with proper microformats so easily add webmentions with Bridgy and BOOM! … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/11/omg-omg-so-excited-i-think-i (twitter.com/_/status/1094987172791369728)
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[kevinmarks] would a form that switched language make sense for alternate?
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Zegnat Form to a webmention endpoint could have the rel webmention on itself. Saves a link element.
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[kevinmarks] also true for micropub as that has a form syntax too.
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[kevinmarks] this has implications for mf2 parsers too, as we don't look for rels on form at the moment
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aaronpk No one is going to do that for micropub but it's a great idea for webmention
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/45
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Loqi [kevinmarks] #45 HTML is adding rel values to form
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sknebel annevk: I subscribed to the PR and can make the changes in the microformats wiki when it goes through - adding a column to the table of rel-values for <form> and fill the ones defined by HTML accordingly
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sknebel !tell tantek FYI https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2019-02-11#t1549898591596700 ff
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [annevk] Heya, I'm making a change to the HTML Standard that will turn <form> into a hyperlink-like thing
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@marypcbuk meetup/Eventbrite/sched are all designed for big formal things; I wish we'd managed to make microformats a thing  https://twitter.com/RuthReader/status/1094968050351308801 (twitter.com/_/status/1095000992658137089)
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annevk sknebel: thanks, appreciate it!
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annevk If you need me I'll be in #whatwg
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel !tell cjwillcock FYI https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769760
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ To date @withknown (which powers this stream) is the best for handling events and RSVPs. You can filter my content for past examples....and it uses the power of microformats as you wanted because keeping meaning in HTML is way to go. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1fBgPN) (twitter.com/_/status/1095054727195385856)
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[tantek] where is that even documented?
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Loqi [tantek]: sknebel left you a message 6 hours, 51 minutes ago: FYI https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2019-02-11#t1549898591596700 ff
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[tantek] I meant the php extension mf2 parser
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[tantek] hey welcome annevk 🙂
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aaronpk Saw a blog post about it
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[tantek] rel on form? sounds exciting.
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[tantek] I like the reasoning that form can navigate just as a href can
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[kevinmarks] that does make sense
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