#microformats 2019-03-01

2019-03-01 UTC
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@mfioretti_en anybody interested in replacing #ædvertising banners with #microformats? http://stop.zona-m.net/2018/05/proposal-replace-online-advertising-with-microformats-for-ads/ (twitter.com/_/status/1101304935252152320)
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@okaammy Day.50 1h ( total: 173.5h ) ■やったこと ・Webを支える技術 10,11章 HTMLとmicroformatsについて microformatsは、HTMLを人だけでなくコンピュータにも正しく理解させるためのもの。（あってるかな？） (twitter.com/_/status/1101499168000892928)
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/atav1k/status/1101403969048371200
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Loqi [@atav1k] @brentriddell @blot__ i’ll check it out tho more than blogging i’m interested in portability of micro formats…handles, tags, replies, geotagging
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[jgmac1106] for p-education and p-experience am I supposed to use those instead of p-name inside an h-event? the h can't be a child of the p I am assuming
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: i don't understand. what are those properties meant to communicate and how do they relate to an event?
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[jgmac1106] " an education h-event event, years, embedded h-card of the school, location." to make an education h-event does one just use p-education instead of p-name?
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KartikPrabhu is "p-education" defined anywhere?
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] helps to cite URLs for such quotes since the context may not be obvious. context likely: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-resume
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[schmarty] ok yeah http://microformats.org/wiki/h-resume#Properties has p-education
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KartikPrabhu so looks like "p-education" is not a replacement for p-name of an h-event
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[schmarty] so that feels tricky to unpack in my head but i think the outer would look something like <div class="p-education h-event">...</div>
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[schmarty] so it'll have a nested h-event for consumers that want details
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[jgmac1106] okay thanks
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[schmarty] but because of the p- prefix it will also have a plaintext value for consumers that want to find 'education' on your resume but don't understand the nested object.
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[schmarty] (i believe the `value` will be the flattened text of everything inside that div)
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@triptych Do we still use Microformats and Semantic Markup? #webdev #webdevelopment (twitter.com/_/status/1101606671229452288)
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[tantek] [schmarty] not quite. it used to work that way but we found that was not very useful. so now any such p-* property takes it's value from the embedded h-* object's p-name, not the "the flattened text of everything inside"
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[tantek] Where can we document that better to help dispel / update that
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[schmarty] oh rad, that makes sense.
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[schmarty] dang i don't know. i didn't look up a page to confirm that so it's my cargo-culted or badly internalized understanding.
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[schmarty] so it'd be the `name` value of the h-event.
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[tantek] correct
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[jgmac1106] so just as p-name p-education or just p-education
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[tantek] similarly a u-* property with embedded h-* object takes its value from the h-* object's u-url
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] that made zero sense
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[jgmac1106] okay makes logical sense as hierarchy...yeah as soon as I read it I realized that
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@schmarty ↩️ Hoo yeah. A ton of the fun social site-to-site interactions and new #IndieWeb reader experiences are built on microformats2. https://indieweb.org/reader (twitter.com/_/status/1101607470198329345)
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[jgmac1106] So h-event the p-education instead of using p-name.
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[jgmac1106] then*
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[tantek] also, you know you can't put all the class names on one single element and expect it to magically infer some hierarchy. pretty sure we've discussed that and it's an FAQ
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[tantek] not sure where you got the "instead of p-name"
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[jgmac1106] yeah going back and fixing that now, since there is no consumer getting the microformats right was last concern
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[jgmac1106] starting that now
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[jgmac1106] So <ul class"h-event"><li class="p-education">
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[tantek] nope
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[jgmac1106] or <ul class"h-event"><li class="p-name p-education">
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KartikPrabhu <ul class"p-education h-event"><li class="p-name">
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KartikPrabhu "education" is a property of the "h-resume" which is an embedded h-event with a p-name
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] when in doubt, rather than guessing, please see the spec http://microformats.org/wiki/h-resume#Properties
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[tantek] if the spec doesn't make sense, then ask questions rather than guessing
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[jgmac1106] I did that is why is why I started with: "an education h-event event, years, embedded h-card of the school, location. " I didn't know what that meant
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[tantek] right, when "didn't know what that meant" - ask questions about "that"?
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[jgmac1106] schmarty++
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[jgmac1106] KartikPrabhu++ thank you both for the help
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[jgmac1106] will work fix it up tomorrow. Wanted to show it off parsed
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