#microformats 2019-05-08

2019-05-08 UTC
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GWG Every time I think I understand Microformats, something makes me worry I don't.
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[chrisaldrich] I feel that way too...
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@kevinmarks ↩️ We called it that 15 years ago when introducing microformats. Now the various iterations of SW/LD stuff end up being called microformats. (twitter.com/_/status/1126069088441307136)
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GWG Anyone want to weigh in on this Microformats question? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/868
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Zegnat I documented the disparity on the wiki, but have no answers or opinions
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Zegnat In fact, I have forgotten what I am doing myself :P
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GWG Is u-url canonical?
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GWG Maybe it should be u-me instead of rel-me
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GWG rel me is scoped to the page, u-me would be scoped to the h-card.
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GWG If I am not completely confused
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[tantek] looks
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GWG [tantek]: You are cited in the wiki as part of this
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GWG The Indieweb wiki specifically
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GWG https://indieweb.org/h-card#What_should_be_a_u-url_on_the_h-card_and_what_shouldn.E2.80.99t.3F
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[tantek] why is this confusing?
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[tantek] u-url is for any URL that represents the subject (h-card in this case)
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[tantek] where is the impression coming from that this has changed from mf1 to mf2?
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[tantek] if you can cite something in e.g. h-card spec that you think is confusing this issue, I can clarify accordingly.
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[tantek] would be editorial change as this doesn't change the intended defined (or supported) meaning
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Zegnat “u-url - home page”. Is the full description. I think it is mostly people who do not see twitter.com/martijnvdven as the homepage for me, while vanderven.se/martijn/ is. (To use my own identity as example.)
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[tantek] hmm ok - that's an unintentionally restrictive summary
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GWG So, can we clarify the summary?
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GWG If u-url represents the subject, then how do you address which url property in an h-card is canonical?
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GWG The one without the rel-me?
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tantek edited /h-card (+157) "editorial fixes to property definitions to clarify original (and supported) intent" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG, Zegnat ^^^ does that clarify it sufficiently?
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[tantek] GWG, did you try searching the spec for "canonical"?
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GWG Ah, the uid
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GWG Still jetlagged
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[tantek] it's ok, just not going to add more to a spec when an existing search would/should have found it.
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GWG I wanted to make sure that I understood
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[tantek] more text often adds to less understanding. per wall of text glazing, hunting for meaning, increasing likelihood of contradictions in duplications
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Zegnat Seems good enough for me
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[jgmac1106] <-- goes to check all the h-cards I have to see if I do use u-uid on my site and u-url on anything about the subject in the h-card
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@DanielMicay ↩️ Structured data could have helped a lot with search but it's poorly supported and there are 4 different ways of marking it up: RDFa (https://www.w3.org/TR/html-rdfa/), HTML microdata (https://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/), JSON-LD (https://www.w3.org/2018/jsonld-cg-reports/json-ld/) and microformats (http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page). (twitter.com/_/status/1126167298727907328)
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@AnnieTheObscure ↩️ Hi, Kevin! you're standing around with a bunch of logic programmers. Have a @SWI_Prolog sticker. We tend to drool over the ability to reason about RDF. That's probably a bad thing, and we should be doing more microformats. (twitter.com/_/status/1126196054066491392)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @AnnieTheObscure @SWI_Prolog You could maybe use css as a constraint matching language for assertions made as microformats . (twitter.com/_/status/1126207714261180416)
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@t ↩️ sounds like a good minimization of tech dependencies, I think we align on principles there. I have found XSLT hard to “come back to”, e.g. maintaining @H2VX, compared to PHP. #microformats2 is a good alternative to RDFa. v2 syntax ... https://tantek.com/t50Q3 (twitter.com/_/status/1126209023336804352)
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@AnnieTheObscure ↩️ @kevinmarks @SWI_Prolog My language design uses CSS selectors already. Say more about using microformats as assertions in this? interesting! (twitter.com/_/status/1126210446174838784)
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