#microformats 2019-08-06

2019-08-06 UTC
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[pfefferle] [tantek] the XFN site seems broken: http://gmpg.org/xfn/
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Zegnat Has been for a long time now, [pfefferle]. Several more specific URLs still work, e.g. the rels: https://gmpg.org/xfn/11
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[pfefferle] [Zegnat] https://gmpg.org/xfn/11 works for me
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Zegnat Yep. One of the exceptions. Thats why we specifically linked that one on indieweb.org/xfn
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Zegnat I think tantek knows that the other /xfn pages do not work. Not sure who would be the right person to talk to for getting it fixed
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[pfefferle] [Zegnat] hmm ok… thanks for the info…
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GWG Why are you looking for the XFN site?
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[tantek] Yes I have a todo to migrate it to static GitHub hosting
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[tantek] It hasn’t changed in years so you can check it in internet archive if necessary
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Zegnat Would you accept help with that, [tantek]? Sounds like a perfect train-ride-home task to just mindlessly bring static HTML pages over to GitHub Pages
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[pfefferle] [tantek] [Zegnat] I am also willing to help
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[pfefferle] [tantek] [Zegnat] if one of you is creating the repo, we can start working on it, so we only have to change the domain in the end
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Zegnat I will be at work for the next 2 hours or so stil, but could get a repo started (seed it with a wget --mirror or something) right after work
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[pfefferle] I would prefer a clean jekyll project!?!
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Zegnat I used Jekyll years ago, never really grew to like it. Why have anything other than just the HTML files in the repo?
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[pfefferle] because it will not be accessible in the end?
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Zegnat Huh? GitHub Pages will happily publish static resources? No need for Jekyll at all.
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[tantek] I prefer zero setup/install as well.
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Zegnat Or do you mean a different type of accessible?
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[pfefferle] does it?
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Zegnat Yep
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[pfefferle] sorry, my fault
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Zegnat https://help.github.com/en/articles/using-a-static-site-generator-other-than-jekyll#the-build-process-for-non-jekyll-sites
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[pfefferle] then even better!
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[pfefferle] [tantek] do you have the sources?
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Zegnat The only thing I am not sure of is how to keep the old URLs. E.g. gmpg uses URLs like `/history`. We can have a `/history/` (directory with an index.html) or `/history.html`. But I am not sure GitHub will let us have `/history` (no trailing slash)
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[pfefferle] gh-pages seems to support both out of the box https://pfefferle.dev/openwebicons/icons and https://pfefferle.dev/openwebicons/icons/
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Zegnat Ah, nice, so we make it the directory variant and then old URLs will still be supported. Good to know!
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[pfefferle] https://github.com/pfefferle/openwebicons/tree/gh-pages/icons
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[pfefferle] I also used static html files 🙂
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[pfefferle] shame on me!
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Zegnat wget really didn’t like those extension less files. Especially failed on /xmdp where it found that to be a folder, but also found /xmdp as a resolving link on some pages
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[tantek] The beauty of actual static sites is ease of migration
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[tantek] The sources were really simple PHP for static shared page headers & footers. Nothing computational
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GWG As a side question, are people actively publishing more than rel me on xfn?
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Zegnat I used to link to family members with other rels, but not much else
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[tantek] GWG check IndieMap maybe?
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[tantek] Rel=contact is used by a bunch of old social network sites
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[tantek] As in published
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GWG The only one I found during my recent community parse checks was Will Norris, and his site isn't active
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Zegnat Still, even if XFN has fallen out of use, the website should be restored as much as possible
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GWG Marked up his familial relationship
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GWG Zegnat, wasn't suggesting otherwise
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GWG I thought last about doing something with xfn when I was pondering following
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GWG I would like to see someone do something interesting with it
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[jgmac1106] I use rel=muse and rel=colleague a bunch but for more fun, nothing gets done with it
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[jgmac1106] !mf2 https://jgregorymcverry.com/following.html
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Ffollowing.html
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[KevinMarks] you could tweak my spiderpig fork to go to archive first, or to pick an older date
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[KevinMarks] https://github.com/kevinmarks/spiderpig/
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[KevinMarks] (it has a dependency on mention.tech because I was lazy)
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Zegnat [KevinMarks]: does spiderpig fix URLs? That is the main manual fix I am looking at right now. Though honestly not that much work and I need something to keep me awake on the train
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[KevinMarks] What do you mean? It makes index.html pages for bare folders
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[KevinMarks] Or do you mean making them relative?
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[KevinMarks] I have another tool for that
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Zegnat Yeah, but there are some problems with turning bares into folders. E.g. it now ends on a / so a relative URL to a stylesheet or something else will break now
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Zegnat First mirror: https://zegnat.github.io/html-gmpgdotorg/
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Zegnat Should be fully browsable before I get off the train, hopefully :P
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[KevinMarks] https://github.com/ChristopherA/LifeWithAlacrityBlog/blob/master/absrel.py
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[KevinMarks] it's in Christopher's repo as I was doing this for him
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[KevinMarks] I had to do some tricks wiht the image urls iirc
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Zegnat The problem is visible here: https://zegnat.github.io/html-gmpgdotorg/xmdp/description/ scroll to “Sample Profile Document”. The link there to samplehtmlprofile.html is now broken, because of the extra / added behind “description” in the URL
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Zegnat relative URLs that worked on /xmdp/description break on /xmdp/description/
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[KevinMarks] ah, annoying
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Zegnat These are probably easier to fix by hand then to spent time writing something that will recrawl for relative links though.
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Zegnat Another fun one, the Home link on https://zegnat.github.io/html-gmpgdotorg/disclaimer/ does not work because it needs to link a directory higher now
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Zegnat [pfefferle] https://github.com/Zegnat/html-gmpgdotorg now has all of the current site, with relative URLs in place and rendering on GitHub Pages
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Zegnat PRs welcome for missing content from the web archive. I am going to have to get on a bike soon :)
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Zegnat (See commit log for commands used to wget and create directories-per-path)
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[KevinMarks] [Zegnat] https://zegnat.github.io/html-gmpgdotorg/xfn/ is 404?
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Zegnat [KevinMarks], aah, missed it. Yes, it probably disappeared the same as xmdp which I had to retrieve seperately. wget does not support having directories and files with the same name
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Zegnat Fixed.
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Zegnat Fetching dinner, and then I’ll start backfilling some of those pages from archive.org
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Zegnat [tantek], [pfefferle], you should now be able to traverse all of the old xfn pages (or at least some archive.org version of them) https://zegnat.github.io/html-gmpgdotorg/xfn/
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Zegnat If I missed anything or didn’t fix a relative URL somewhere, PRs welcome. Feedback page isn’t there because it is a form.
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[KevinMarks] Great retro examples https://zegnat.github.io/html-gmpgdotorg/xfn/and/
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Zegnat Oh, just realised I missed the creator too. Well, that might be tomorrow’s train ride’s menial task, haha
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[pfefferle] [Zegnat]++
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