#microformats 2019-10-04

2019-10-04 UTC
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@taskboy3000 Took a bunch of "skills tests" on linkedIn. The HTML quiz seemed to have *a lot* of item* stuff, which I think has to do with microformats? I didn't realize this was getting so "important." (twitter.com/_/status/1179939766181285888)
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[dougbeal] Is it valid to wrap an img in span/u-photo? pin13 used the alt-text as a filename. If I move u-photo to img, then it works as expected.
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KartikPrabhu [dougbeal]: it is valid, but u-photo might not pick up the img URL
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KartikPrabhu you can put any class on any element and it would be valid
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KartikPrabhu so depends on how you want the parsers to pick up the property
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aaronpk "u-" means get the value from the src or href attribute so that's not going to do what you want putting it on a span element
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[tantek] Dougbeal what problem are you trying to solve?
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[dougbeal] Making sure brid.gy gets a photo. Both brid.gy and pin13 ended up with nonsense urls in the wrapping span case
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[tantek] bridgy uses u-photo, and that u-photo must refer to an actual image URL
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[tantek] not sure what you mean about a wrapping span unless you're showing the photo URL in visible text
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@yoko8ma ひさびさに読んだけど今でも良書だった。しかし、結構見なくなった技術も多い。microformatsとかGoogle Waveとか… (twitter.com/_/status/1180153595913588736)
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[Lewis_Cowles] Are there standards to link to meta in another document? I'm looking at my very spartan blog (no JS, 1 CSS file) and there is a fair bit of markup I'd like to lose. For example I have 23 lines of ld+json on every single page. It'd be so nice to have something a bit like an OSD tag (I know more meta) which could link to meta about a page / post
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[jgmac1106] what is using your json+ld? or is it just there? I have it on Known to but I know of nothing to do with it
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[Lewis_Cowles] yeah it's knownas and organisation. My site was WP, then I decided that was too much so it became Jekyll. At the moment it's semi-generated semi-hand-crafted HTML. No pages are huge, but there just seems to be a lot of meta-data with the actual data. I might be over-thinking this
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[Lewis_Cowles] I want to add some dynamic sub-domains for things like webmention, but everything I look at adds yet more meta
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[jgmac1106] use Known, you can have Dublin Core as well, does add extra lines, but heck if someone wants it let them have it
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[Lewis_Cowles] 👍
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] meh why publish under covers code that you don’t know if anyone is consuming?
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[tantek] DC in particular is known for being overhyped without actual practical consuming apps.
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[jgmac1106] I don't it just comes with the CMS, why I asked if [Lewis_Cowles] had a use, if he doesn't then don't waste the time, but seems someone is using it
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[Lewis_Cowles] Technically I'm using it, but I could stop. That would remove it's noise from every page. I started with the question [tantek] asks. "Is this being used" and then I thought, well nobody but me uses my website really as it's not had much attention from me.
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[jgmac1106] ohh I though you meant some organization Knownas was using the JSON+LD on your site
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[Lewis_Cowles] If I were to be data-driven I'd take the whole thing down. But I'm trying to get better at it, so I'd be interested in having microformats or other mechanisms. I'm just not sure I want to embed that in main storage or main HTML
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[tantek] It’s more than being data driven
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[jgmac1106] I like mf2 so I don't do things twice
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[tantek] There are just no document apps or services that bother with DC because it’s so polluted
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[tantek] mf2 has tons of documented consumers
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[tantek] And is immediately useful
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[jgmac1106] plus to me if the world ends an html page printed on paper still reads the same, on my homepage I just use mf2 because there are so many tools to play with
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[tantek] DC you publish and then wonder why you bothered
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[Lewis_Cowles] [tantek] there is no dublin core on my personal webpage. The organisation ld+json is just so I can get a logo on some search engines
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[tantek] [Lewis_Cowles] I was responding to [jgmac1106] ‘s curious enthusiasm for DC
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[Lewis_Cowles] 👍
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[jgmac1106] yes ask a DC librarian (which most major edu libraries have) ehat they do and it is just fixing and adding DC...not really doing much with it...do wish u-featured would get picked up
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[jgmac1106] I wasn't enthusiasm, the bit of sacrasm wasn't really coming through, I don't have to do any work to mantain, never see it, doesn't bother me
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[tantek] It’s semantic alchemy [jgmac1106]. They’re adding it out of habit and couldn’t actually justify it with a use case
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[jgmac1106] ....except when I see how many lines it takes to publish a note
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[jgmac1106] well the maintainer of the dc website did ask for my help to add mf2 when they relaunch.....
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[jgmac1106] JSON-LD could turn out widely used in edu spaces, we will see, the data interoperability people are pushing is xAPI which is based off of RDF-a and designed to allow any "affinity space" to add vocabularies
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[KevinMarks] But are there any consumers of it?