#microformats 2020-03-25

2020-03-25 UTC
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[tantek] gRegorLove plenty of people have logos instead of photos, e.g. on twitter
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[tantek] cartoon logos, or random art or slogans or political activism like "GITHUB DROP ICE" etc.
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[tantek] point being, they're logos, they're not photos
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KartikPrabhu yup. My website has a logo, but I haz a "photo"
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gRegorLove hm, well that seems an odd definition of logo. Anything that isn't a photo of the person themselves?
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gRegorLove h-card for an organization with a u-logo is a use-case that makes sense to me. I'm more sketchy on other uses cases.
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[tantek] the other use-cases are everything people call their avatar or icon etc.
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[tantek] I guess I don't understand what you mean/see as "sketchy". Tons of people I follow on Twitter have icons of themselves that are not their photo
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[tantek] what is icon
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KartikPrabhu wrong channel for Loqi prompt
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[tantek] see https://indieweb.org/icon
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gRegorLove I'm not clear on when a person's h-card with some image would use u-logo.
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gRegorLove The Twitter examples don't seem to inform that decision, or I'm not following. Twitter calls it "avatar" and you can upload any image.
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[tantek] right, the social media term is "avatar"
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[tantek] the 1990s term was logo or icon
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[tantek] h-card is from hCard is from vCard is from the 1990s
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[KevinMarks] Atom has icon https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4287#section-4.2.5 and logo https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4287#section-4.2.8 which have different aspect ratio SHOULD (icon is square, logo is 2:1)
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[KevinMarks] If you think of the business card case for an h-card, a logo for your employer is pretty common.
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[tantek] Kevinmarks I still amazed at how much prescriptive (not empirical) nonsense there is in Atom
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[tantek] I would guess precisely zero Atom consumers actually did anything with icon vs logo
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[tantek] That’s the dumbest format thing I’ve seen this year (so far). Also what thin air did they pull 2:1 out of?
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aaronpk 2:1 wtf?
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[tantek] aaronpk, that is the correct response
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk yeah like 4:3 i would understand, or 16:9
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aaronpk this is at the ietf, so there must be some mailing list archives that might explain why 2:1
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[tantek] or lost in the Atom wiki (forgot what it was called) shutdown due to spam
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aaronpk aw
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aaronpk oh gosh their mail archive is gone too
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aaronpk https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/atompub/about/
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aaronpk this is one worry i have with the w3c and others using github issues for spec discussions
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aaronpk on the flip side, you thought searching mailing list archives was hard to begin with, try searching mailing list archives from archive.org http://web.archive.org/web/20060715114143/http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/
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[tantek] I found the wiki! Sam Ruby moved it to his own domain! And looks like he cleaned up the spam too: http://intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/FrontPage
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[tantek] That's a very "indieweb" consequence. In order to save the wiki, it was easier for him to host it in a subdirectory on his own domain rather than its own domain.
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aaronpk wow
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gRegorLove With the business card example, I'd expect the employer logo to be in the nested h-card, like the example I mocked up yesterday http://php.microformats.io/?id=20200324225123155
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gRegorLove That parse reminds me, we should get another php-mf2 version out. That implied u-photo in the nested h-card is fixed in master branch
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[KevinMarks] http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceIconAndImage?action=highlight&value=CategoryProposals
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[KevinMarks] Feature parity with rss 2 was the rationale
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[KevinMarks] RSS spec is even more arbitrary and weird https://validator.w3.org/feed/docs/rss2.html#ltimagegtSubelementOfLtchannelgt
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[KevinMarks] “Maximum value for width is 144, default value is 88.
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[KevinMarks] Maximum value for height is 400, default value is 31.”
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gRegorLove haha
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[tantek] oh goodness sakes
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aaronpk 88x31... that sounds like those little pixely banners
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[tantek] that's exactly what that is
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gRegorLove oh yeah
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[tantek] great, so they standardized on banner ad buttons of yore
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aaronpk dunno how i remembered that lol
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[tantek] because you typed width=88 height=31 too many times?
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aaronpk prooobably
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[KevinMarks] I checked, and I do have atom-syntax archived in my Gmail. But searching for "icon" in it reminded me why I hate mailing lists for specs
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[KevinMarks] Also endless arguments about whether they should be elements or links
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[tantek] lol #XMLproblems
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[tantek] in general, should it be an element (content) or an attribute (href)
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