#microformats 2021-01-30

2021-01-30 UTC
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@ourben ↩️ It exists but XML is not accessible: http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-formats (twitter.com/_/status/1355330520968802311)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ try this one http://microformats.org/wiki/h-resume (twitter.com/_/status/1355334860978663425)
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[tantek] lol [KevinMarks] have to ask have you posted your resume in h-resume? (full disclosure I haven't yet myself, and it's been a backburner project for quite some time)
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[KevinMarks] Hmm. I think I did at one point
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btrem https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2021-01-30/1611978292272600
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Loqi [[tantek]] lol [KevinMarks] have to ask have you posted your resume in h-resume? (full disclosure I haven't yet myself, and it's been a backburner project for quite some time)
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btrem I know you weren't asking me, but I actually have posted my resume with h-resume markup.
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Seirdy anybody know if there's a good microformat to mark up links to other websites that offer a translated version of an article?
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Seirdy context: i made a blog post. one reader translated it on his blog and sent a webmention (yay!), and framasoft might make a translation on its own blog. i want to link to these translations.
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Loqi 😊
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btrem Not a microformat, but that sounds like `rel="alternate" to me.
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Seirdy might be wrong, but i thought rel=alternate links should link to an alternate version of your own site, not someone else's.
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btrem https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes/rel#attr-alternate
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btrem I don't know of any such restriction. Other rel links (e.g., canonical) are explicitly allowed cross domain.
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Seirdy TIL, thanks!
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btrem NP. Note the addition of `hreflang` to indicate translation in the mdn page.
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Seirdy yep.
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Seirdy semi-ot, related to translations: like, where would you normally link them? inside .h-entry, inside .e-content, etc? do most people have a personal pref to linking external translations at the top or bottom of an article?
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btrem Normally, it would be in the `<head>` of the page, in a `<link>` element.
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btrem `<link rel="alternate" hreflang="fr" href="//fr.example.com/le-foo.fr">
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btrem `<link rel="alternate" hreflang="fr" href="//fr.example.com/le-foo.fr">`
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btrem Sorry, missed closing tick.
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Seirdy it's fine im on irc haha
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btrem Or `<link rel="alternate" hreflang="es" href="//es.example.com/el-foo.fr">`
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btrem But I suppose there's no reason not to put it in the visible markup, inside h-entry as you said.
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Seirdy i'd personally prefer putting it in visible markup, unless there's a good reason to put it in <head>
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btrem `<a rel="alternate" hreflang="fr" href="//fr.example.com/le-foo">disponible en français</a>`
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btrem Since you asked about microformats, maybe rel="syndication". Not sure though. Maybe syndication is only for identical or nearly identical copies.
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btrem http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-syndication
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Seirdy i'm currently using syndication for my own gemini mirror, and possibly a gopher mirror.
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btrem You can have more than syndication link, I think.
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Seirdy don't have the latter set up currently, but i just might. also might set up a rel=syndication for a plaintext mirror (probably a markdown file).
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Seirdy so basically im using it for alternate formats
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btrem That could also be rel=alternate type="text/plain"
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Seirdy good idea, thanks!
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btrem Yep. Examples on the mdn page I pointed to just a minute ago.
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Seirdy yeah it's been a few years since i went over those docs, i need to dust off the cobwebs.
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Seirdy thanks for your help
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btrem I looked at the u-syndication property of h-entry. It is not clear if it's appropriate for translations. Maybe someone more important will be by to clarify.
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btrem NP. Happy dusting.  (:
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Seirdy literally just appeared: https://evgenykuznetsov.org/en/posts/2021/u-translation-of/ from the awesome guy who translated my article. quite relevant.
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Loqi [Evgeny Kuznetsov] Proposed property: u-translation-of
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Seirdy s/literally just appeared/appeared a couple hours ago/
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btrem How about that!
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btrem I'm not sure if it's really necessary, though. It seems like rel=alternate hreflang="" covers it.
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btrem You as the author of the original article, adds rel="canonical" to the `head`. And inside h-entry, a link rel=alternate hreflang="ru" to the translation.
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btrem The author of the translation adds a link back to you with `<a rel=canonical hreflang="en">`
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aaronpk it could be worth exploring a microformats property for it, but yeah right now the rel=alternate thing is the established practice
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/translations#How_to_markup
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aaronpk (the benefit of doing it in mf2 instead of with a rel value is you could include the link when the post appears in a list of other posts too)
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btrem Not sure I follow.
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aaronpk rel values are scoped to the page
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btrem Seirdy sorry that should have been `<a rel=alternate hreflang="en">`
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aaronpk so if you want to include links to translations or canonical versions of posts when you're showing a post list, you can't use rel values
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btrem Ah, right.
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btrem I was thinking of the article as a standalone page. Not when it's in a list of articles.
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Seirdy same ^
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aaronpk yeah for standalone page, rel values work fine
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Seirdy ...and we are live! https://seirdy.one/2021/01/27/whatsapp-and-the-domestication-of-users.html#translations
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Seirdy thanks again to everyone here
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk so is that populated automatically from the webmention?
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btrem Nice!
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btrem Seirdy++
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Loqi Seirdy has 1 karma over the last year
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Seirdy btrem++
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Loqi btrem has 7 karma over the last year
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Seirdy aaronpk: the bottom section titled "Webmentions" is
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aaronpk gotcha
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Seirdy i might send a patch to webmentiond to support translations after i get it to support author homepage links
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aaronpk the theory with adding that u-translation-of markup was so that you could pull out the webmention into a "translations" section instead :)
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Seirdy yup ^