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# 03:44 [tantek] lol [KevinMarks] have to ask have you posted your resume in h-resume? (full disclosure I haven't yet myself, and it's been a backburner project for quite some time) [tw2113_Slack_] and [KevinMarks] joined the channel
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# 21:46 Loqi [[tantek ]] lol [KevinMarks] have to ask have you posted your resume in h-resume? (full disclosure I haven't yet myself, and it's been a backburner project for quite some time) # 21:46 btrem I know you weren't asking me, but I actually have posted my resume with h-resume markup. KartikPrabhu, cambridgeport90_ and Seirdy joined the channel
# 22:52 Seirdy anybody know if there's a good microformat to mark up links to other websites that offer a translated version of an article? # 22:53 Seirdy context: i made a blog post. one reader translated it on his blog and sent a webmention (yay!), and framasoft might make a translation on its own blog. i want to link to these translations. # 22:56 btrem Not a microformat, but that sounds like `rel="alternate" to me. # 22:57 Seirdy might be wrong, but i thought rel=alternate links should link to an alternate version of your own site, not someone else's. # 22:57 btrem I don't know of any such restriction. Other rel links (e.g., canonical) are explicitly allowed cross domain. # 22:58 btrem NP. Note the addition of `hreflang` to indicate translation in the mdn page. # 23:01 Seirdy semi-ot, related to translations: like, where would you normally link them? inside .h-entry, inside .e-content, etc? do most people have a personal pref to linking external translations at the top or bottom of an article? # 23:02 btrem Normally, it would be in the `<head>` of the page, in a `<link>` element. # 23:02 btrem `<link rel="alternate" hreflang="fr" href="//fr.example.com/le-foo.fr"> # 23:03 btrem `<link rel="alternate" hreflang="fr" href="//fr.example.com/le-foo.fr">` # 23:03 btrem Or `<link rel="alternate" hreflang="es" href="//es.example.com/el-foo.fr">` # 23:04 btrem But I suppose there's no reason not to put it in the visible markup, inside h-entry as you said. # 23:05 Seirdy i'd personally prefer putting it in visible markup, unless there's a good reason to put it in <head> # 23:05 btrem `<a rel="alternate" hreflang="fr" href="//fr.example.com/le-foo">disponible en français</a>` # 23:07 btrem Since you asked about microformats, maybe rel="syndication". Not sure though. Maybe syndication is only for identical or nearly identical copies. # 23:08 Seirdy i'm currently using syndication for my own gemini mirror, and possibly a gopher mirror. # 23:09 btrem You can have more than syndication link, I think. # 23:09 Seirdy don't have the latter set up currently, but i just might. also might set up a rel=syndication for a plaintext mirror (probably a markdown file). # 23:09 Seirdy so basically im using it for alternate formats # 23:09 btrem That could also be rel=alternate type="text/plain" # 23:10 btrem Yep. Examples on the mdn page I pointed to just a minute ago. # 23:11 Seirdy yeah it's been a few years since i went over those docs, i need to dust off the cobwebs. # 23:11 btrem I looked at the u-syndication property of h-entry. It is not clear if it's appropriate for translations. Maybe someone more important will be by to clarify. # 23:14 Loqi [Evgeny Kuznetsov] Proposed property: u-translation-of # 23:18 Seirdy s/literally just appeared/appeared a couple hours ago/ # 23:22 btrem I'm not sure if it's really necessary, though. It seems like rel=alternate hreflang="" covers it. # 23:24 btrem You as the author of the original article, adds rel="canonical" to the `head`. And inside h-entry, a link rel=alternate hreflang="ru" to the translation. # 23:25 btrem The author of the translation adds a link back to you with `<a rel=canonical hreflang="en">` # 23:26 aaronpk it could be worth exploring a microformats property for it, but yeah right now the rel=alternate thing is the established practice # 23:27 aaronpk (the benefit of doing it in mf2 instead of with a rel value is you could include the link when the post appears in a list of other posts too) # 23:28 btrem Seirdy sorry that should have been `<a rel=alternate hreflang="en">` # 23:28 aaronpk so if you want to include links to translations or canonical versions of posts when you're showing a post list, you can't use rel values # 23:28 btrem I was thinking of the article as a standalone page. Not when it's in a list of articles. [benatwork] joined the channel
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# 23:55 aaronpk so is that populated automatically from the webmention? # 23:57 Loqi Seirdy has 1 karma over the last year # 23:59 Seirdy aaronpk: the bottom section titled "Webmentions" is # 23:59 Seirdy i might send a patch to webmentiond to support translations after i get it to support author homepage links # 23:59 aaronpk the theory with adding that u-translation-of markup was so that you could pull out the webmention into a "translations" section instead :)
@ourben ↩️ It exists but XML is not accessible: http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-formats (twitter.com/_/status/1355330520968802311)
[KevinMarks] Hmm. I think I did at one point
Seirdy literally just appeared: https://evgenykuznetsov.org/en/posts/2021/u-translation-of/ from the awesome guy who translated my article. quite relevant.