#microformats 2021-09-27

2021-09-27 UTC
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@pkursawe
↩️ Big tech never cared about it. Microformats also dead.
(twitter.com/_/status/1442382698366914562)
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@ejblackburn
↩️ Whatever happened to microformats? And raw manipulation of XMLHttpRequest?
(twitter.com/_/status/1442387394783764481)
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capjamesg[d]
I use both 😄
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[KevinMarks]
I now want to tweet 'reports of my death have been exaggerated' from the microformats account
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@kevinmarks
↩️ microdata never really took off, as it was spec-first, not implementation driven. Microformats have iterated and are used by indieweb, mastodon etc and still indexed by Google.
(twitter.com/_/status/1442424150237188100)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] @pkursawe @taitems That Bootstrap bird is nailed to the perch.
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capjamesg[d]
[KevinMarks] 😄
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capjamesg[d]
[tantek] regarding the home page, I’d love to see something like a “why microformats?” section.
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capjamesg[d]
I know we touch on this a lot on the wiki but I’d love to see a few concise points easily accessible on the home page.
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capjamesg[d]
Or even a “why microformats?” link in the navigation bar or something.
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capjamesg[d]
I also noticed the home page doesn’t link to h-entry and a few other h- formats. I think it should 🙂
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sknebel
mix in elements of microformats.io?
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sknebel
or something different?
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capjamesg[d]
I’ll check out microformats.io. I haven’t looked at it lately.
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capjamesg[d]
Yeah, microformats.io does it well.
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capjamesg[d]
I also wonder if there are more community updates to share on the home page.
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capjamesg[d]
Maybe not but just curious.
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capjamesg[d]
I’d love to see a few people write microformats use case studies that shows how they are using them. Do we document this on the wiki?
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capjamesg[d]
I’d be happy to write about how I use microformats for my site, webmention receiver, and other projects.
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[tantek]
capjamesg[d], these are *excellent* observations and suggestions!
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[tantek]
exactly the kind of thing we need new eyes looking at the home page for 😂
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[tantek]
capturing now on the /to-do page
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capjamesg[d]
Let me know if / how I can help 🙂
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capjamesg[d]
I was expecting something like a newsletter or a weekly digest,
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capjamesg[d]
But it seems to be more of a list of how microformats are used.
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capjamesg[d]
Which I love.
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tantek
edited /to-do (+983) "site homepage update / why microformats, and a bunch of https:"
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capjamesg[d]
“Microformats use on the web” or something snappier would be interesting to me.
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capjamesg[d]
This page linked in the nav bar should probably talk more about mf2: https://microformats.org/wiki/code-tools
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capjamesg[d]
Maybe even provide a list of parsers by language too.
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capjamesg[d]
And links to getting started code samples from the actual microformats specs maybe.
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capjamesg[d]
Ignore the parser suggestion. I see we have that.
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tantek
edited /to-do (+708) "/* site homepage update */ link to recent formats, more community updates"
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[tantek]
capjamesg, these are great, can you add more subsections accordingly to https://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#site_homepage_update like the few I added?
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capjamesg[d]
I’ll do this tomorrow 🙂
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capjamesg[d]
Let me know if there’s anything specific I can help with.
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capjamesg[d]
I found the to do list quite intimidating because it felt like a lot of things already had owners.
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capjamesg[d]
But there are plenty of tasks at the top.
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capjamesg[d]
I prefer documenting stuff so I’ll see if anything fits.
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[tantek]
ah — I can see how the sections would look like "owners", though that was not the intent
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tantek
edited /to-do (+1460) "for all person-specific to-do lists, Below this section needs rethinking and triaging"
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[tantek]
capjamesg[d], does this help clarify (e.g. re: owners) / make the list less intimidating? https://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Below_this_section_needs_rethinking_and_triaging
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[tantek]
capjamesg[d], GWG I think I'd be down for a microformats pop-up to update (rethink?) the microformats.org homepage as a community exercise
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[tantek]
(I think that's more important than grinding through GitHub issues FWIW)
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[tantek]
(i.e. being more welcoming / community inclusive is more important than processing a backlog of technical issues, the more people we have looking at the issues, the more we can share/distribute that work so it's less bottlenecked)
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capjamesg[d]
I would be happy to attend.
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capjamesg[d]
I think an approachable homepage would help convey the relevance and importance of microformats.
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capjamesg[d]
From the homepage alone it’s hard to see why I should use microformats / how they compare to other formats.
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capjamesg[d]
I like how we have the post by Jamie on Google still parsing microformats, but there are so many more reasons why one might want to consider microformats.
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capjamesg[d]
Also, because Google still parses it, we should consider what percentage of the audience is interested in microformats for SEO.
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GWG
[tantek]: Always assume I'm up for a popup
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[tantek]
capjamesg[d] all very good reasons
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[tantek]
also the nature of the community and the "why" of microformats has changed considerably over the past ten years
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[tantek]
so it's long past time to succinctly document & communicate that
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[tantek]
capjamesg[d] want to braindump your own thoughts into a new /why page?
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[tantek]
(on the microformats wiki)
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capjamesg[d]
I’d be honored. I’ll do that tomorrow.
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[tantek]
awesome!
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[tantek]
happy to help review / itereate
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[tantek]
iterate even 🙂
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capjamesg[d]
[tantek]++ for being so helpful and welcoming.
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Loqi
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[tantek]
GWG, do you have opinions on "why?" microformats?
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GWG
"Because I find them simple and other makeup you need a lot more to figure out what you are doing
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