#microformats 2022-08-16

2022-08-16 UTC
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GWG gRegor: Can I prevail on you as an owner in the Microformats org to do something for me?
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GWG gRegor: Can you get me triage permission in https://github.com/microformats/h-entry ? It won't let me label
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[tantek] GWG, do we actually have labels that match the process though?
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GWG [tantek]: We have stable, proposed, and draft...which aaronpk put in. But I still don't have permission to set them. What labels are you suggesting?
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GWG [tantek]: You are also an owner, if you are so inclined.
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[tantek] so no those are frankly, not reflective of the existing process, nor actually helpful with moving things forward
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[tantek] GWG, I brainstormed a few labels here (quite buried unfortunately) directly tied to the change control process: https://indieweb.org/Falcon#one-off_tag-of_post
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[tantek] do you see the list starting with "Needs next steps" ?
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GWG Yes...I'd like to add ore labels for that. But this is a proposal for the parsing repo. I'm on the h-entry repo. Same?
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GWG Either way, I can't add more. I like some of those. I was starting with three labels. But I figured we might need more
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[tantek] no in this case, "starting with three labels" which are more abstract may actually make it *harder* to make progress on any particular issue
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[tantek] i.e. those are high level stages for a property, not issue stages
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[tantek] e.g. if you say "draft" as a label on a property proposal, you have no idea *which* of the requirements are remaining to be met to advance from "draft", which means, the label doesn't actually tell you *what* needs to be done to the issue to make progress
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GWG Okay. I like the labels you have there, but I would need permission to add them and remove the ones we aren't using.
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[tantek] yeah maybe step one is we actually come up with a reasoned list of labels that will actually help issues move forward
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[tantek] I'm going to delete the existing labels accordingly
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GWG Okay.
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GWG So, let's look at your list.
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GWG Looking just at h-entry...I have a few I'd definitely agree with and a few I have questions on
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[tantek] GWG, feel free, and I'll discuss later, I'm up too late right now (yay timezones) to continue this discussion later, so don't feel rushed to think out loud in chat
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GWG [tantek]: Timezones are a pain.
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[tantek] feel free to look at the list and consider them that is, and question in that way (agree / questions etc.)
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[tantek] just don't feel pressured to do it here in chat real time, because I won't be following up in real time
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GWG As long as we are moving forward, I'm not trying to rush anything. I just think we need to start doing some of these tasks in order to make a popup worth it.
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[tantek] totally agreed. I think I thought about that (how to move forward) a while ago, then decided I wanted to use adding those labels as use-case motivation to add "label" posts to my own site as responses to issues, and then that got lost amongst everything else I wanted to add to my site
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[tantek] as part of the "how do I use my own site instead of GitHub directly" to do issues, issue handling (labels / unlabeling) etc.
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[tantek] GWG, if you can think of a way to capture this kind of "how do we design good labels that help issues make progress" discussion, that would be appreciated. I don't know where to capture that
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GWG That was what I was wondering
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[tantek] and also how *not* to design issue labels (too abstract, unclear next steps)
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GWG Maybe an issue on the parsing repo to discuss it?
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GWG I'm not sure where else would work
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[tantek] I'd prefer not to do meta-issues on the repos like that
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GWG It's either there, or a new page on one of the wikis.
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[tantek] perhaps a wiki page would be more appropriate
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[tantek] and it applies to more than just microformats, but rather anyone who is posting labels as responses to issues
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[tantek] anyway, give it some thought. where did you go to look for "how to create useful labels" if you did?
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[tantek] have you ever created a set of labels for one of your own projects to help make sense of and progress on issues?
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[tantek] etc.
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GWG For me, I always go for short labels, and explain them in the description.
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GWG But I may look to see what others have pondered
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[tantek] short / memorable is a good criteria I agree.
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[tantek] maybe the IndieWeb /naming page is one place that could make sense, since naming labels is a special kind of naming
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[tantek] anyway, keep thinking about both (your own methodology for making new labels) and where would be a good place to document such methodologies
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GWG project_labels, probably
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