#microformats 2022-08-25

2022-08-25 UTC
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GWG Why do we not have an h-app page?
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GWG It's cited in the indieauth spec, but nothing really there
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capjamesg The IndieWeb wiki has one: indieweb.org/h-app
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capjamesg I'm surprised the microformats wiki doesn't have something on h-app.
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gRegor It does: http://microformats.org/wiki/app
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gRegor h-app redirects there; not sure why
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capjamesg Ah!
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gRegor Perhaps because it's early in the microformats process
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[tantek]3 ^
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GWG I consider the page more of a placeholder. Should have been specific. I'd expect more there.
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GWG For something used in a spec
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GWG Solution...I should brainstorm
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gRegor http://microformats.org/wiki/app-brainstorming could be updated to include the newer p-summary usage
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gRegor The examples page is fairly up to date, I went through it last December. Lists some that use p-summary
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GWG Shouldn't /app redirect to /h-app and not the other way around?
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[tantek]3 GWG, no because it didn't follow the microformats process
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[tantek]3 this is what happens to things that start as a brainstorm only, without doing the prerequisite research and documentation thereof
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aaronpk wat, it literally is following the process
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aaronpk the first edit description on that page is "This is a page for tracking the effort to develop an '''app''' microformat for authors and publishers to mark up software. Per the microformats The microformats process..."
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[tantek]3 my no is answering GWG's precise question
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aaronpk ah
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[tantek]3 aaronpk, what you're seeing is how we "repair" the microformats wiki when someone jumps in with an h-thing-i-think-is-super-clever page
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[tantek]3 it turns out people are much more interested in brainfarting than in doing & documenting research
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aaronpk research is hard
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[tantek]3 sad lesson from years of early microformats community
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[tantek]3 science is hard
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[tantek]3 no shortcuts
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[tantek]3 might also be a symptom of stackexchange copy pasta coding culture
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angelo i'm afraid to touch https://microformats.org/wiki/project
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GWG [tantek]: I was thinking of becoming a consumer of h-app
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[tantek]3 GWG, personally? that's an odd hobby 😉
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GWG [tantek]3: The Indieauth plugin for WordPress doesn't support it, I thought it probably should
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GWG I don't have microformats parsing in the code
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capjamesg [tantek] :D
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capjamesg IndieWeb Search was maybe a consumer. I can't remember if I added full support.
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angelo as per the mf process, the problem i'm trying to address: i'd like to track projects (eg. code, design) and their activity (eg. changes, participants, milestones)
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angelo could the current wiki content on the project[-*] pages be classified as "brainfart"? if so, what would be the best way to proceed with fresh -examples?
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[tantek]3 no by brainfart I really mean a "brainstorm" that doesn't have much thought put into it, which is literally what a lot of folks have done in microformats in the past, to no productive end
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[tantek]3 angelo, that explicit documentation of use-cases is missing from /project
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[tantek]3 the "problem i'm trying to address" that you described
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[tantek]3 the different extent of that problem for different people are why we have so many different formats / proposals to various complexities of "project" microformats
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[tantek]3 re: best way to proceed with -example, see the https://microformats.org/wiki/examples page for how to
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jgarber edited /app-examples (+214) "/* Examples */ Add two examples" (view diff)
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[jgarber] ☝ Good reminder from the h-x-app conversation from earlier today.
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