#microformats 2022-10-11

2022-10-11 UTC
# 01:30 
epoch does using a class="u-geo" href="geo:etc" work?
# 01:31 
epoch I haven't seen any explicit examples or mentions saying it will
# 01:32 
epoch otherwise I'll have to update the lat and lon in two spots if I want to use the same location as both h-geo and a link to a geo: URI
# 01:34 
[tantek] epoch, depends on what you mean by "work?" (e.g. by what consuming code use-case?) and in what context — i.e. inside of what h-* object?
# 01:35 
epoch for any already-existing thing that may be looking for it inside of an h-card
# 01:37 
[tantek] if you don't know of a specific consuming code use-case, it's unclear it's worth marking it up
# 01:37 
epoch alright, then maybe I'll make something. :)
# 01:37 
[tantek] that's the spirit 🙂
# 01:37 
epoch it might be entertaining to do a "locations of recent comments" for webmentions.
# 01:38 
epoch using h-geo by default and fallback to IP-based
# 05:07 
[tantek] totally. I think aaronpk was going to do something that used JS for timezone and then IP-based for fallback similar to that. we discussed it in #indieweb-dev
ur5us, barnaby, gRegorLove_, [manton] and jacky joined the channel
# 18:09 
Seirdy anybody know an idiomatic way to handle archived copies of dead links with microformats?
# 18:10 
Seirdy basically I currently auto-replace dead links across my site with Wayback Machine snapshots, and that includes e.g. webmention sources
# 18:12 
Seirdy so if the u-url is dead, i currently just replace it with the wayback snapshot if one exists. i feel like i should have a "u-archived-copy" (i just made up that microformat) and "p-original-url" ("p" because i wouldn't wanna actually link a non-existent page).
jacky joined the channel
# 18:45 
[tantek] it's an interesting brainstorm / use-case. might be worth considering it in the context of h-cite and what would you want an h-cite consuming application to do with the information.
# 18:45 
[tantek] you don't need p-original-url. you can use "p-url" for an unlinked URL already
# 18:47 
barnaby in lieu of a new property, you could just use u-url for both
# 18:47 
barnaby although I can’t think of a good justification for which one should be first
# 18:51 
[tantek] I think there have been prior discussions about how do you publish / communicate a set of alternative URLs for something
# 18:52 
[tantek] on a page level obviously rel=alternate "works"
# 18:52 
[tantek] but in the use-case of linking to other things, that's why I suggested considering it in the context of h-cite use-cases and consuming code
# 18:52 
[tantek] as soon as you want to structure something beyond a single property, you need to wrap a minimal object around it. hence h-cite could work for that
ur5us and jacky joined the channel
# 21:35 
gRegor perhaps u-alternate to match the rel-alternate meaning, but for the microformat object
# 21:35 
gRegor Maybe u-syndication? I know IA isn't really a syndication, but existing property...
# 21:42 
gRegor With more thought don't really like either of those, heh.
jacky_ joined the channel