#microformats 2022-11-20

2022-11-20 UTC
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tantek edited /to-do (-483) "/* wiki gardening */ trim fixups were completed a while ago!" (view diff)
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tantek edited /tr.im (+175) "we repaired them all on the wiki, keeping a search link in case somehow another pops up" (view diff)
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Seirdy planning on properly doing u-syndication, but i'm not sure where the links semantically belong. here's a sample page: https://seirdy.one/notes/2022/11/20/blogging-as-dry/
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Seirdy obv the links should be inside the h-entry and outside e-content
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Seirdy but do they really belong in the <article class="h-entry"> element?
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Seirdy i think they should belong there, but then should they be in a <section> or an <aside>
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Seirdy i know WHATWG recently adjusted the meaning of <aside>
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Seirdy so it doesn't have to be a top-level element. i think that the synd links should be excluded from "reader mode" and <aside> is the most reliable way to do that. but they are related to the article, so they should be a <section>. but they're also external links that aren't really about the content of the article, but about the article itself; sort of like a "further reading" widget which would
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Seirdy belong in an <aside>
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Seirdy aaaa <aside>/<section> continues to be the second most confusing thing in all of html (after <code>/<span> which is a different discussion)
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[tantek] or <footer>
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Seirdy facepalms
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Seirdy why didnt i think of that
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Seirdy it's so obvious now
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Seirdy ok thanks
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Seirdy imma do that
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[tantek] what is a syndication link
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[tantek] oops no what is here
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Seirdy u-syndication links
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Seirdy oh right the bot's not here
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Seirdy dw i have the wiki page open
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[tantek] Seirdy, the page beyond the "u-syndication" property is this one: https://indieweb.org/posts-elsewhere
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[tantek] though we can continue specific discussion about that in #indieweb-dev
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Seirdy ah perfect
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Seirdy so would you say that comments, likes, and syndication links belong in the <article> element, or in a section after the <article> element?
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Seirdy i'm tempted to make a big fat section called "interact" with "syndication" and "webmention" sections; the webmention section could contain comments and mentions (not interested in likes).
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/comments#How_to_markup
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Seirdy yes i've seen that but im wondering if i should make the h-entry an <article>, or if i should make an <article> a child of the h-entry that excludes the interactions.
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[snarfed] ah ok
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[tantek] since <article> is supposed to include <header> and <footer> elements, my understanding is that <article> is meant for more than just the "content"
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[tantek] and so is h-entry, since it has the e-content property for the content
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gRegor Ah, didn't know that about <article> with header and footer
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gRegor Do any clients/browsers do anything special with that "supposed to" though?
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[tantek] mostly screenreaders AFAIK
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[tantek] gRegor, I have a pending task to do this myself, there's some more links/reading/details there: https://indieweb.org/Falcon#HTML5_semantic_elements_for_accessibility
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gRegor Nice
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[tantek] figured I should do it myself first, before documenting it as "shoulds" on the wiki, in order to get some practical experience first
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[tantek] but please go ahead and crib from my notes if you like if it helps!
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gRegor I'm curious, but will avoid this rabbit trail for the moment :)
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Seirdy got it
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[tantek] gRegor, you could do what I did and add it to your own personal "working on" queue 🙂
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