#microformats 2024-09-24

2024-09-24 UTC
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# 01:34 
nweiz hey folks! I'm interested in using h-entry to represent something similar to Tumblr reblogs where a reply embeds a representation of the post it's replying to
# 01:35 
nweiz the spec says u-in-reply-to can be "an embedded h-cite" which seems like what I'm after
# 01:36 
nweiz but I'm not sure what it means to "embed" a structured microformat like that into a property
# 01:44 
gRegor Welcome, nweiz! Usually that means putting the nested h-* on the same element as the property, like: `<a href="https://example.com/post" class="u-in-reply-to h-cite">`
# 01:45 
gRegor The indieweb wiki (there's some community overlap) might have some minimal how-to HTML for different post types like reposts, replies, etc.
# 01:45 
gRegor For reposts, for example, see https://indieweb.org/repost#How_to_Publish
# 01:46 
gRegor (u-in-reply-to is for replies, u-repost-of is for reposts, or what tumblr calls reblogs)
# 01:46 
nweiz those two things can be intertwined, though—what if I'm reposting something and replying to it at the same time?
# 01:47 
nweiz do I write something like `<a href="#my-repost-id" class="u-in-reply-to">` and then have `u-repost-of` within `<article class="h-entry" id="#my-repost-id">`?
# 01:51 
[tantek] Can you do that on Tumblr? Would be interesting to see an example!
# 01:51 
gRegor I'm not aware of any microformats consumers that would use both of those, so probably better off with one or the other. You might also be looking for https://indieweb.org/quotation
# 01:52 
gRegor A reply is usually intended to show up on the original post as a comment (if they choose to show it)
# 01:56 
[Joe_Crawford] https://indieweb.org/repost includes detail on tumblrs notion of a reblog
# 02:01 
nweiz here's an example, where the account @massachusetts-official reposted and replied to a post by @casquecest https://www.tumblr.com/massachusetts-official/762452450719465472/official-post-of-massachusetts
# 02:02 
nweiz worth noting that https://indieweb.org/quotation explicitly says that reposts are preferred when quoting an entire post
# 02:14 
gRegor Yeah, tumblr reblogs are a weird middle place. It's basically a repost + commentary, which is more in line with a quotation post than a repost. Repost dfn is kind of strict, "A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another"
# 02:14 
gRegor Twitter has/had quote tweets too, which is kinda similar
# 02:15 
gRegor In general I would consider how you might want it to show up on the original post. "so and so reblogged this" or a comment in reply to the post
# 02:21 
nweiz the former more than the latter, generally
# 02:21 
nweiz half the people I might end up in a network with are using static site generators anyway, so backreferences are relatively less on my radar
# 02:22 
nweiz (including me)
# 02:23 
gRegor That would be a u-repost-of. That's how I handle reposts, I only show "[name] reposted this"
# 02:26 
nweiz and just not do u-in-reply-to at all?
# 02:29 
gRegor Right, one or the other based on your intent. My first example is u-repost-of, second example is u-in-reply-to
# 02:29 
gRegor Another way to look at this is the Post Type Discovery algorithm. If you used both properties, most consumers are only going to see it as a reply: https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery#Algorithm
# 02:30 
gRegor Since in-reply-to has a higher precedence than repost-of
# 02:31 
nweiz is it possible to nest h-entries?
# 02:34 
gRegor For this type of scenario I think you want a nested h-cite. Here's a made up example: https://php.microformats.io/?id=20240924023354216
# 02:37 
gRegor Here's how the fuller repost example looks parsed: https://php.microformats.io/?id=20240924023700185
# 02:39 
gRegor That first parse isn't a repost or a reply, just a demo of nested microformats.
# 02:40 
gRegor Answer to your question is "Yes" in general, but the next question is "how is this being consumed?" Not aware of any consumers doing anything special with h-entry inside h-entry
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# 02:48 
nweiz sure, makes sense
# 02:49 
nweiz unrelated question: is there a good solution for when you want a repost of your posts to have somewhat different markup than the original?
# 02:49 
nweiz for example, I have some components that rely pretty heavily on my own stylesheets to look decent
# 02:50 
nweiz if someone's reblogging, it'll look a lot better as something much more barebones
# 02:50 
nweiz with a few inline styles
# 02:50 
nweiz (which is already a variant I include in my feed)
# 03:05 
gRegor Not that I'm aware of
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