#social 2014-10-31

2014-10-31 UTC
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tantek welcome timbl!
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fjh tantek, thanks, I’ll update the reference to the joint session that I put in our minutes. I assume this is better to use than the RRSAgent generated minutes?
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fjh tantek, never mind, your note was clear
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tantek fjh IMO yes - the quality and usability of the #social WG IRC logs has now exceeded any other, including RRSAgent generated minutes. Every IRC utterance has an easily clickable/findable/usable (and marked up!) permalink
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fjh tantek, thanks!
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fjh tantek, if others want to do something similar, can they?
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tantek fjh - indeed. also add yourself to https://www.w3.org/wiki/Irc-people and you'll show up in the logs hyperlinked and with an icon
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jasnell tantek: fyi... https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams/Microformats_Mapping#Questions
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tantek jasnell - great - I really like how this is shaping up.
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tantek hoping we can figure out it enough to get something into the next WD
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jasnell so that's the next question: what would need to be added to the next WD :-)
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tantek next will be to figure out the mappings from "u-in-reply-to" etc. to the different explicit AS2 types
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tantek I figure we can start with a "Activity Streams in HTML" section, with two subsections, "Using h-entry for Activity Streams Semantics" and "Parsing h-entry into Activity Streams Semantics"
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jasnell as:inReplyTo :-)
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tantek with complete code examples that show HTML+h-entry -> canonical microformats JSON -> AS2 JSON(-LD)
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tantek to provide consumers consistent guidance for parsing AS2 semantics from HTML.
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tantek we can use https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams/Microformats_Mapping to iterate on the text for these sections
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jasnell ok, sounds good
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tantek jasnell - oops edit collision, I'll try to merge
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jasnell heh
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jasnell I'm done for now
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tantek almost done mergine
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tantek s/mergine/merging
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tantek jasnell - saved and done for now also.
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tantek ok maybe one more tweak
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tantek jasnell: added some more details, including turning the h-card as:author question into more of a mapping how-to. that's a good amount of progress for now.
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jasnell tantek++
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jasnell fyi (for those not following the mailing list): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/2014Oct/0134.html
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tantek jasnell - interesting post.
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tantek TBH I (and others) in the indieweb community tried to make explicit verbs "fit" into our UIs etc and they just seemed awkward. So we started nouning the verbs as we came up with implementations, and in each case it worked better (simpler) to make everything a post of some (implied) type.
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tantek worked better in terms of simpler markup, publishing, code to generate, store etc.
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tantek but most of all - it was the most obvious mapping to our UIs of actually posting / view these "activities"
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tantek like I said in the meeting - there may still be use-cases where explicit separate verbs make sense, but so far as we've implemented them one by one, in every case it has made sense (better for use-cases) for the verbs to be nouned, and to have a permalink of such nouns for reference / verification etc., *especially* in distributed interactions.
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tantek I can see how pure "verbs" might be ok in a silo-only feed, where the silo is assumed to be trustworthy and there is no need to "verify" the verbs as having been done.
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tantek However in a distributed world, especially in a *federated* world, that need for verification drives a need for permalinks, which drives a need for posts at those permalinks, which means every action gets recorded as the *consequence* of that action. posting a like, instead of just "liking".
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